RE: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

I am trying to get my thoughts around a concept of "no restraint" on speech. Then especially on a mailing list. And then on a non-profit "international" corporation. 
  Let me speak of places where speech rules are found; School Buses/public buses, Synagogues /temples/churches, on a sidewalk, in the proverbial crowded theater, courts and boards and councils. And for darn sure my house. The list includes everywhere.
No it just does not work, if Sir Thomas More was right then Utopia might have worked. But alas there must be some rules.
   
  So we make rules as liberal as possible and we hope good people are there to enforce them and likewise to test them and their outer limits.
   
  Perhaps having the list the way it is now is wrong - let me be clearer - it is wrong.
  The old DNSO rules seem to be better. Perhaps even petitions added with clear criteria to allow unnamed individuals to post would be much better. 
  I am not trying to convince just trying to put some perspective on degrees of free speech and access.
   
  Eric
   
  
"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  Jeff,

I am not sure why you concluded that Avri did not answer your request:
She said, and I repeat, "I also believe that if the council is (to) get
work done, it is critical that the council list remain a council
member's list with posting only by council, liaisons and relevant
staff." I certainly do not mean to be flip, but I understand that to be
a 'no' with regard to your request.

Chuck Gomes

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:53 PM
> To: ga
> Subject: Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> 
> Avri and all,
> 
> The GNSO council archives is already available to all to 
> read. That was not the nature of my request.
> So again, my request which given your response it seems you 
> missed or did not understand correctly was: "I would like to 
> ask you kindly as the new GNSO chair if it would be possible 
> to open up posting by anyone to the GNSO council's eMail 
> address, council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?"
> 
> Transparency and openness is not a half way thing, it 
> either exists on a two way basis or it does not exist. The 
> bit is on or it is off.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Avri Doria 
> >Sent: Jul 9, 2007 11:36 AM
> >To: ga 
> >Subject: Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >While I think it is critical that the GNSO council list be open for 
> >reading by all, as well as meeting calls being recorded etc, 
> as part 
> >of our effort to be transparent, I also believe that if the 
> council is 
> >get work done, it is critical that the council list remain a council 
> >member's list with posting only by council, liaisons and relevant 
> >staff.
> >
> >I also beleive that this does not ignore the requirement for 
> openness. 
> >Not only is the GA list open to all, and followed by many in the 
> >council, the board and ICANN staff, but there are open consultations 
> >that allow for input into the process and there is the recent 
> >introduction of open GNSO Working Groups. And while I am 
> sure measures 
> >for openness and transparency can be improved, and while I 
> expect the 
> >Board's Governance Committee Working Group on GNSO improvement to 
> >suggest ways for further openness and transparency in their 
> report, I 
> >also believe we must find the proper balance between trying 
> to get work 
> >done in a timely manner (still a goal to be sure) and 
> >listening/interacting to all voices on the issues.
> >
> >thanks
> >a.
> >
> >
> >On 9 jul 2007, at 03.58, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> >...
> >
> >> In that regard,
> >> I would like to ask you kindly as the new GNSO chair if it 
> would be 
> >> possible to open up posting by anyone to the GNSO council's eMail 
> >> address, council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?
> >> In the sprit of openness and transparency, this would be 
> appropriate 
> >> as well as in abiding by ICANN's bylaws.
> >>
> >> Thank you for your consideration in this request, and 
> again thank you 
> >> for chiming in. >:)
> >>
> >
> Regards,
> Jeffrey A. Williams
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