Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council/Communication

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

I think I am safe here in declaring that we are of one mind. Speech may and in fact should vary greatly and be tolerated. As for etiquette and list rules we may be as diplomatic as we wish but should be clear and concise as to our position and decisions.
   
  If we find that we must be offensive then we should point that in the direction of an issue or principle and not toward an individual. History should be learned from and not repeated by failure to let go of old animosities.
   
  Please feel free to let me know if you think this is wrong. It may end up in our list rules as guiding principles for posting.
   
  Eric

Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  Dr. Dierker and all,

Glad there is some lawyer left in you. I guess what matters more is
what kind of lawyer, the shyster type or the more thoughtful reasoned
type. I believe Gerry Spence, a lawyer of unprecedented renown
would put it this way: "Where's the beef, Mr. Dierker"? But of
course that in your and Debbies decided jaundra, would not meet
your standard for political correctness I suppose?

Even more interesting as Dr. Joe was your choice as moderator, and
the tone of your response below which would seem to indicate whether
or not a consensus exists, you wouldn't hesitate in declaring one as
a matter of self interest, if no other reason exists. However that may
or may not be only my perception given the attitude you decidedly noted
in your response and/or remarks in Dr. Joes direction. >:/

Fortunately I find Dr. Joe's candor well developed and refreshing, and

his sense of humor a display of his vast obvious intelligence and
wisdom.

So thank you for making Dr. Joes, Danny's, and my point. Redirect,
Dr. Dierker?

Hugh Dierker wrote:

> There is nothing that would stop this chair from getting a
> consensus related in no uncertain terms. I must say that while I get
> Joe's point, I must have a bit of the lawyer in me, as I prefer to
> tell you to pound sand and eat ----, with a smile on my face and an
> outstretched hand.
>
> Debbie Garside wrote: 
> The way it should work, IMHO, is if the Chair perceives
> consensus from the members of this forum on an issue of import he can
> inform
> the members of the Council/Board/Staff.
>
> Whilst on this subject, members of this list should go through the
> Chair -
> that is what they are for. It is quite unnecessary to copy the
> board/staff
> into various mails and it just waters down any issues of importance
> the
> Chair may raise on this groups behalf.
>
> If you/we could just clean up our act, devise the rules and
> regulations for
> contribution to this list (and stick to them) we might find we MAY be
> taken
> seriously and have significant input as an expert body. I keep saying
> this
> and you are not listening. If I cannot keep up with the volume of
> emails I
> don't see how any other professional can.
>
> I call upon the Chair and the List Monitor to bring this forum to
> order.
> (Please :-)) Let us try to find order within chaos and a way around
> this
> hermeneutic circle.
>
> Best
>
> Debbie
> *Shannon and Weaver as applied to human communication
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Williams
> > Sent: 10 July 2007 06:17
> > To: ga
> > Subject: Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> >
> > Dr. Baptista and all,
> >
> > Here here! Given the length and/or dissertation form of
> > her answer, it read more like and excuse rather than an explanation.
>
> > I am glad you, Dr. Joe, recognized that in your remarks below.
> > Seems Chuck and Dr. Dierker didn't recognize same, or wished
> > to be tricky in not directly reveling that they had. >;)
> >
> > Ahhh, isn't nuance a wonderful thing! >;) I often equate
> > nuance with CYA and/or an over indulgence in political
> > correctness when a answer to a request is made, and good
> > direct answer is not *reasonably* available.
> >
> > Joe Baptista wrote:
> >
> > > Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> > >
> > > >Jeff,
> > > >
> > > >I am not sure why you concluded that Avri did not answer
> > your request:
> > > >She said, and I repeat, "I also believe that if the
> > council is (to)
> > > >get work done, it is critical that the council list remain
> > a council
> > > >member's list with posting only by council, liaisons and relevant
>
> > > >staff." I certainly do not mean to be flip, but I
> > understand that to
> > > >be a 'no' with regard to your request.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > People should say what they mean and mean what they say.
> > > Unfortunately this is email and the same rules don't necessarily
> > > apply. I usually find it is better to simply repond in one word
> > > answers and then launch into an explaination which means
> > (or equals)
> > > no. So I would word this as follows,
> > >
> > > Avri should of said "NO, I believe that if the council is (to) get
>
> > > work done, it is critical that the council list remain a council
> > > member's list with posting only by council, liaisons and
> > relevant staff."
> > >
> > > Thats a much better statement which conveys a consise
> > ANSWER, followed
> > > by a detailed excuse or explaination.
> > >
> > > Anyway Chuck hope all is well.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > joe baptista
> > >
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Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827




       
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