Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dr. Dierker and all,

  Glad there is some lawyer left in you.  I guess what matters more is
what kind of lawyer, the shyster type or the more thoughtful reasoned
type.  I believe Gerry Spence, a lawyer of unprecedented renown
would put it this way: "Where's the beef, Mr. Dierker"?  But of
course that in your and Debbies decided jaundra, would not meet
your standard for political correctness I suppose?

  Even more interesting as Dr. Joe was your choice as moderator, and
the tone of your response below which would seem to indicate whether
or not a consensus exists, you wouldn't hesitate in declaring one as
a matter of self interest, if no other reason exists.  However that may
or may not be only my perception given the attitude you decidedly noted
in your response and/or remarks in Dr. Joes direction.  >:/

  Fortunately I find Dr. Joe's candor well developed and refreshing, and

his sense of humor a display of his vast obvious intelligence and
wisdom.

  So thank you for making Dr. Joes, Danny's, and my point.  Redirect,
Dr. Dierker?

Hugh Dierker wrote:

>    There is nothing that would stop this chair from getting a
> consensus related in no uncertain terms. I must say that while I get
> Joe's point, I must have a bit of the lawyer in me, as I prefer to
> tell you to pound sand and eat ----, with a smile on my face and an
> outstretched hand.
>
> Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:     <snip>
>   The way it should work, IMHO, is if the Chair perceives
> consensus from the members of this forum on an issue of import he can
> inform
> the members of the Council/Board/Staff.
>
> Whilst on this subject, members of this list should go through the
> Chair -
> that is what they are for. It is quite unnecessary to copy the
> board/staff
> into various mails and it just waters down any issues of importance
> the
> Chair may raise on this groups behalf.
>
> If you/we could just clean up our act, devise the rules and
> regulations for
> contribution to this list (and stick to them) we might find we MAY be
> taken
> seriously and have significant input as an expert body. I keep saying
> this
> and you are not listening. If I cannot keep up with the volume of
> emails I
> don't see how any other professional can.
>
> I call upon the Chair and the List Monitor to bring this forum to
> order.
> (Please :-)) Let us try to find order within chaos and a way around
> this
> hermeneutic circle.
>
> Best
>
> Debbie
> *Shannon and Weaver as applied to human communication
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Williams
> > Sent: 10 July 2007 06:17
> > To: ga
> > Subject: Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> >
> > Dr. Baptista and all,
> >
> > Here here! Given the length and/or dissertation form of
> > her answer, it read more like and excuse rather than an explanation.
>
> > I am glad you, Dr. Joe, recognized that in your remarks below.
> > Seems Chuck and Dr. Dierker didn't recognize same, or wished
> > to be tricky in not directly reveling that they had. >;)
> >
> > Ahhh, isn't nuance a wonderful thing! >;) I often equate
> > nuance with CYA and/or an over indulgence in political
> > correctness when a answer to a request is made, and good
> > direct answer is not *reasonably* available.
> >
> > Joe Baptista wrote:
> >
> > > Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> > >
> > > >Jeff,
> > > >
> > > >I am not sure why you concluded that Avri did not answer
> > your request:
> > > >She said, and I repeat, "I also believe that if the
> > council is (to)
> > > >get work done, it is critical that the council list remain
> > a council
> > > >member's list with posting only by council, liaisons and relevant
>
> > > >staff." I certainly do not mean to be flip, but I
> > understand that to
> > > >be a 'no' with regard to your request.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > People should say what they mean and mean what they say.
> > > Unfortunately this is email and the same rules don't necessarily
> > > apply. I usually find it is better to simply repond in one word
> > > answers and then launch into an explaination which means
> > (or equals)
> > > no. So I would word this as follows,
> > >
> > > Avri should of said "NO, I believe that if the council is (to) get
>
> > > work done, it is critical that the council list remain a council
> > > member's list with posting only by council, liaisons and
> > relevant staff."
> > >
> > > Thats a much better statement which conveys a consise
> > ANSWER, followed
> > > by a detailed excuse or explaination.
> > >
> > > Anyway Chuck hope all is well.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > joe baptista
> > >
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Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827