Re: [ga] RE: Registrants Constituency

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

There is not one matter that ICANN should be involved in that is not open and transparent.
  In life there may be grounds for closed sessions or private negotiations but ICANN is a public benefit organization with contracts with the DoC and so none of the exceptions should apply to them. (or as it should be us).
   
  Eric

Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  Danny and all,

Again, transparency is not and largely has not been a strong
suit of ICANN. Expecting openness and transparency
from the "Board Governance Committee" seems less
than forthcoming... Of course, this lack of openness
and transparency again demonstrated by a Public
Benefit Corporation is not expectable in any reasonable
sense...

Personally, I find such behavior by ICANN reprehensible
at a minimum.


Danny Younger wrote:

> Roberto,
>
> What you haven't told us is whether at the moment the
> Board is amenable to the establishment of a
> registrant's constituency or not...
>
> At least the prior ICANN Reform process had the ERC
> posting their positions and obtaining feedback from
> the process. The current reform initiative as managed
> by the Board Governance Committee is subtantially less
> transparent.
>
> Danny
>
> --- Roberto Gaetano wrote:
>
> > I imagine that yours is a rhetoric questions, but I
> > will answer anyhow.
> >
> > The matter is indeed on the table as part of the
> > GNSO review.
> > The decision of the Board will be according to the
> > will of the majority of
> > the Directors.
> >
> > Did I really tell you something you did not know?
> > ;>)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Roberto
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > Danny Younger
> > > Sent: 05 March 2007 13:56
> > > To: Roberto Gaetano; 'Karl Auerbach'
> > > Cc: 'Danny Younger'; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: [ga] RE: Registrants Constituency
> > >
> > > Roberto,
> > >
> > > Re: "we have already tremendous problems in
> > building a
> > > presence for registrants"
> > >
> > > Some clarification is in order. Perhaps you could
> > explain
> > > what these problems are and why they are so
> > insurmountable
> > > that the Board can't act on its own initiative and
> > simply
> > > establish a registrants constituency as part of
> > the GNSO
> > > restructuring.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > Danny
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> > >
> > > > Karl,
> > > >
> > > > Just to clarify my point.
> > > > I am not arguing that there should not be a
> > place in the GNSO for
> > > > "normal"
> > > > users (i.e. non-registrants). I am only saying
> > that if we
> > > have already
> > > > tremendous problems in building a presence for
> > registrants,
> > > it might
> > > > be a useless waste of resources to try to get to
> > the wider
> > > objective
> > > > (for the time being).
> > > > If you want to put it this way, it is not a
> > matter of
> > > principle, it is
> > > > a matter of opportunity.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Roberto
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Karl Auerbach [mailto:karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: 05 March 2007 11:35
> > > > > To: Roberto Gaetano
> > > > > Cc: 'Danny Younger'; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ga] RE: Registrants Constituency
> > > > >
> > > > > Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On one hand, the voice of the registrants in
> > the
> > > > GNSO (and
> > > > > I want to
> > > > > > stress "registrants" vs. "users", simply
> > because
> > > > past
> > > > > experience has
> > > > > > shown that "individual users" will not fly).
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't agree.
> > > > >
> > > > > The intellectual property industry gets a very
> > big
> > > > seat in
> > > > > ICANN but mere possession of a trademark has
> > > > nothing to do
> > > > > with whether the holder of the mark has
> > acquired a
> > > > domain name or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Normal internet users - you and I - are just
> > as
> > > > affected by
> > > > > domain names as is the owner of a trademark.
> > Just
> > > > like a
> > > > > trademark, our names can be transgressed, our
> > > > reputations can
> > > > > be besmirched and diluted. The only
> > difference is
> > > > that that
> > > > > we are flesh and blood people rather than some
> > > > legal
> > > > > abstraction in the form of a corporate owner
> > of a
> > > > trademark.
> > > > >
> > > > > So why do the trademark owners get the ICANN
> > red
> > > > carpet
> > > > > treatment and the individual users of the
> > internet
> > > > get the shaft?
> > > > >
> > > > > Why are our needs written off as "will not
> > fly"
> > > > while ICANN
> > > > > accepts the assertions of the intellectual
> > > > property
> > > > > protection industry without question?
> > > > >
> > > > > Vint Cerf likes to say "The Internet is for
> > > > Everyone". Seems
> > > > > that that phrase falls flat in the world of
> > ICANN.
> > > > >
> > > > > ICANN is incorporated as a "public benefit"
> > > > corporation. It
> > > > > is inconsistent with its legal status for
> > ICANN to
> > > > exclude
> > > > > the public from its decision making processes,
> > > > while at the
> > > > > same time elevating private commercial
> > interests.
> > > > >
> > > > > --karl--
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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