Re: [ga] RE: Registrants Constituency

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Danny and all,

  Again, transparency is not and largely has not been a strong
suit of ICANN.  Expecting openness and transparency
from the "Board Governance Committee" seems less
than forthcoming...  Of course, this lack of openness
and transparency again demonstrated by a Public
Benefit Corporation is not expectable in any reasonable
sense...

  Personally, I find such behavior by ICANN reprehensible
at a minimum.


Danny Younger wrote:

> Roberto,
>
> What you haven't told us is whether at the moment the
> Board is amenable to the establishment of a
> registrant's constituency or not...
>
> At least the prior ICANN Reform process had the ERC
> posting their positions and obtaining feedback from
> the process.  The current reform initiative as managed
> by the Board Governance Committee is subtantially less
> transparent.
>
> Danny
>
> --- Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I imagine that yours is a rhetoric questions, but I
> > will answer anyhow.
> >
> > The matter is indeed on the table as part of the
> > GNSO review.
> > The decision of the Board will be according to the
> > will of the majority of
> > the Directors.
> >
> > Did I really tell you something you did not know?
> > ;>)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Roberto
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > Danny Younger
> > > Sent: 05 March 2007 13:56
> > > To: Roberto Gaetano; 'Karl Auerbach'
> > > Cc: 'Danny Younger'; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: [ga] RE: Registrants Constituency
> > >
> > > Roberto,
> > >
> > > Re:  "we have already tremendous problems in
> > building a
> > > presence for registrants"
> > >
> > > Some clarification is in order.  Perhaps you could
> > explain
> > > what these problems are and why they are so
> > insurmountable
> > > that the Board can't act on its own initiative and
> > simply
> > > establish a registrants constituency as part of
> > the GNSO
> > > restructuring.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > Danny
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Karl,
> > > >
> > > > Just to clarify my point.
> > > > I am not arguing that there should not be a
> > place in the GNSO for
> > > > "normal"
> > > > users (i.e. non-registrants). I am only saying
> > that if we
> > > have already
> > > > tremendous problems in building a presence for
> > registrants,
> > > it might
> > > > be a useless waste of resources to try to get to
> > the wider
> > > objective
> > > > (for the time being).
> > > > If you want to put it this way, it is not a
> > matter of
> > > principle, it is
> > > > a matter of opportunity.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Roberto
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Karl Auerbach [mailto:karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: 05 March 2007 11:35
> > > > > To: Roberto Gaetano
> > > > > Cc: 'Danny Younger'; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ga] RE: Registrants Constituency
> > > > >
> > > > > Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On one hand, the voice of the registrants in
> > the
> > > > GNSO (and
> > > > > I want to
> > > > > > stress "registrants" vs. "users", simply
> > because
> > > > past
> > > > > experience has
> > > > > > shown that "individual users" will not fly).
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't agree.
> > > > >
> > > > > The intellectual property industry gets a very
> > big
> > > > seat in
> > > > > ICANN but mere possession of a trademark has
> > > > nothing to do
> > > > > with whether the holder of the mark has
> > acquired a
> > > > domain name or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Normal internet users - you and I - are just
> > as
> > > > affected by
> > > > > domain names as is the owner of a trademark.
> > Just
> > > > like a
> > > > > trademark, our names can be transgressed, our
> > > > reputations can
> > > > > be besmirched and diluted.  The only
> > difference is
> > > > that that
> > > > > we are flesh and blood people rather than some
> > > > legal
> > > > > abstraction in the form of a corporate owner
> > of a
> > > > trademark.
> > > > >
> > > > > So why do the trademark owners get the ICANN
> > red
> > > > carpet
> > > > > treatment and the individual users of the
> > internet
> > > > get the shaft?
> > > > >
> > > > > Why are our needs written off as "will not
> > fly"
> > > > while ICANN
> > > > > accepts the assertions of the intellectual
> > > > property
> > > > > protection industry without question?
> > > > >
> > > > > Vint Cerf likes to say "The Internet is for
> > > > Everyone".  Seems
> > > > > that that phrase falls flat in the world of
> > ICANN.
> > > > >
> > > > > ICANN is incorporated as a "public benefit"
> > > > corporation.  It
> > > > > is inconsistent with its legal status for
> > ICANN to
> > > > exclude
> > > > > the public from its decision making processes,
> > > > while at the
> > > > > same time elevating private commercial
> > interests.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 --karl--
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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