Re: [ga] Deletion lists only help

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Right again and on the spot for mistakes, lapses or abandonment. Although there is some problem with just selling the package to the next buyer.
But assume some smarty pants uses his credit card to buy 25 names. Then just decides against it. He tells the credit card company that it is not what he really wanted. That is called a charge back. It costs the vendor time, energy, perhaps trouble with the cardservice co. and creates accounting nightmares. In essence the vendor just bought those names. If it happens frequently a smaller vendor loses his ecommerce capability. That is a very bad thing, for everyone.
Or it really was not his card, which subsequently is reported stolen. But within the time to void the transaction. Who bares that cost.
If you send dynamite through the mail, they do not just return to sender, it is confiscated and then auctioned to licensed demolition contractors. Also postal services are governmental not private. If you suggest we socialize registrars - well that is interesting. Most ccTLDs do it.
Eric
 
Let us make sure I am not talking about scheduled deletions or lapses after notice.

Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hugh Dierker wrote:
Good point. Jobbers, warehouseman and the like take a dim view when the storage or shipment which they do, even though they do not own but store or ship, is not paid for by the owner or recipient. 

Actually, I think the postal service would make a better analogy for our present purposes than your jobbers/warehousemen.  Here in Canada, as I imagine happens in most countries with a postal service, if a package is unclaimed or a recipient cannot be found for a package sent by post (i.e. postage has been paid), it is returned to sender.  The post office does not levy
a fee for the process of returning to sender, as postage has already been paid but intended delivery was not made, thus necessitating a return to source.  In the domain name business, the source is the registry.  I mean, what would happen if every package/letter that went undelivered by the postal service were to instead be appropriated by the postal service?  

Here is a quote from the CANADA POST CORPORATION ACT RE: Undeliverable and Redirected Mail Regulations
INTERNATIONAL UNDELIVERABLE MAIL 
"15. (1) Undeliverable mail posted elsewhere than in Canada shall be dealt with as follows:

(a) where the mail was posted in Australia, Great Britain (including Northern Ireland), the Republic of Ireland, Mexico or the United States with postage thereon paid at the current rate of postage for letters in that country and where the mail bears a return address, with or without a request for return, the mail shall be returned directly to the sender;"
Why should the registrar, who has aleady levied their fee upon initial registration/transfer/whatever have *any* claim against any given registration which it helps to effect?

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

Uniform Commercial Code has many laws covering these matters.
 
The next sticky wicket is the charge back or the fraudulent purchase.
Eric

Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
Party B is an arbitrary figure as 'middleman' and 'go-between' and nothing more.  If not for Party A there would be nothing for party B to claim a lien against.  

Sotiris Sotiropoulos

Hugh Dierker wrote:
If party A, does not pay party B for a service/good provided. When does the service/good revert to the open market? Or does party B have a lien on the service/good by which they may dispose of the service/good anyway they chose? Deletions caused by breach of the registering party cause a dilema not so easily remedied as lists.
Eric 


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