Re: [ga] List of Domain Names

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Debbie,

First let me say that this inquiry is extremely beneficial.  It is a perfect 
use of this list. Believe it or not there are still hundreds that subscribe 
here and they come from an enormous cross-section of our planet and our 
vocations. We find that our ratio of positive posting is in direct proportion 
to good issues being raised for discussion. Last I checked this is still the 
most active list at ICANN, private(they think) and public.

Costs:  This is incredible. How can anyone justify these amounts? I cc George 
in hope he may have some insight.
IMHO  --  No way security and IP folks can take the heat from a close analysis 
of this ridiculous, non-reflective of actual expense, costing.

Ownership:  Some folks confuse both IP rights and Privacy as stemming from a 
right to own. Not at all true. Ownership does not necessarily extend any IP or 
privacy interests. A public bathroom stall is very private. Your 40K car on a 
freeway is in plain view and not private.  Domain names are not at all private 
-- yet rights to them can be fully inclusive.  There is no real justification* 
to make who owns them public.

More light, more accountability and more energy from user advocates is sorely 
needed in this whole security DNSSEC stuff.

* The cops and the IP lawyers are very good at mutating any objection to public 
whois -- but it is bullshit.  It is power and politics that make these public 
not law, logic or anyones Constitution. And now we see it is profitable for 
ICANN -- go figure.




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From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Accountability Headquarters <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, June 15, 2010 6:32:59 AM
Subject: RE: [ga] List of Domain Names


Eric
 
Verisign offer the .com and .net data with changes available for download every 
5 minutes for a fee of $15,000 per month for commercial use.  Alternatively, 
one can apply to become an ICANN accredited Registrar (costing approx. $6,500 
and requiring at least $70,000 in the bank) and pay a reduced fee of $1,000 for 
the same information - which is probably a truer reflection of an actual cost 
model for the service.
 
The fees seem more than a little expensive for the commercial option IMHO.  I 
can only hope that ICANN's Advisory Group for a Central Zone File Repository 
are successful as this will open the market for the design of lo-cost security 
options protecting ALL against trademark infringement, domain name registration 
account attacks and phishing as opposed to the protection of just those that 
can currently afford such services (Fortune 1000).  
 
I wondered if anyone on this list has any opinions on who owns the data held by 
gTLD Zone Managers?  I understand that gTLD Zone File Managers are obligated to 
supply the data (whereas ccTLD Managers are not) but I think it is worth while 
looking into how this data can be made more accessible to bonafide companies 
for the creation and enhancement of tools related to internet security but also 
regulated in order that it may not be exploited for illegal purposes (spamming 
etc.)
 
Any input welcome, on list and off, as this forms part of my PhD research into 
building tools for internet/trademark/phishing security purposes.
 
Debbie
 
 

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From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Hugh Dierker
Sent: 14 June 2010 22:02
To: debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Accountability Headquarters
Subject: Re: [ga] List of Domain Names


Debbie,
>
>Are you reciting something from somewhere?  Let me tell you something. Picture 
>me getting out of a 79' chevy, walking a dust covered dirt road into a 
>registry ---  your choice, So. America, SubSaharan, SouthEast Asia,, to show 
>proof of my business license and register a domain name, after some extra cash 
>the name is manually entered into a ccTLD data base for .OMG.  Some freakin 
>way it gets batched and sent off to a Major NIC.  I have been in such 
>Registries.  And now who is required to do what in 10 minutes???? -- Oh yeah, 
>I am shot at by some gov. or insurgents on my way back to my -7 Star hotel. Oh 
>and then my gaurdian warlord/druglord/Christian seperatist says I am all good 
>to meet with the PM for dinner, do I have the check?
>Did you know that some registries operate off of dial-up and lines still get 
>cut by train bandits???
>
>Whoever is making this announcement and mandate for all registries needs a 
>serious wake up call.
>
>
>
>
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From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: Accountability Headquarters <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 1:44:01 AM
>Subject: RE: [ga] List of Domain Names
>
>
>Eric
> 
>It is necessary for this information to be available, updated every 5 -10 
>minutes, from ALL Registries for security applications.
> 
>Thanks
> 
>Debbie
>
>
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From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Hugh Dierker
>>Sent: 11 June 2010 16:44
>>To: Accountability Headquarters
>>Subject: Re: [ga] List of Domain Names
>>
>>
>>Debbie,
>>
>>Did you think this through?  Assume something really much smaller than it is. 
>>10 TLD(cc's too) Xs 24 hrs a day Xs 20 registered per hour + 20 expired or 
>>transferred per hour. Now include IDNs. Now assume they all compete. Now 
>>assume 200 jurisdictions. Now assume ten percent error. Now assume 5 percent 
>>shannanigans. Now assume 4 court/judicial orders per hour-effecting such.  
>>And start the whole thing off by assuming 2 million to start with.
>>
>>Obviously Verising/NetSol group is huge along with GoDaddy,, and yet some 
>>countries are literally manual,, but actually UK and CN dwarf the above 
>>numbers all by themselves. Just in those two you have well over 300 
>>counties/provences that could effect registration.
>>
>>So counting trees in this forest would be like painting the Golden Gate 
>>Bridge or counting Square board inch in a 10 hectare bamboo farm.
>>Particulars are astoundingly irrelevant to the mass. When we deal here with 
>>individual cases, we must assume a bochuliszm type importance, -- that one 
>>millionth of a grain could infect a whole population.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 12:15:25 PM
>>Subject: [ga] List of Domain Names
>>
>>
>>Hi
>>
>>I was doing some research a while back and I seem to remember coming across
>>several registries that offer the ability to download a list of all current
>>domain names for their registry.  Does anyone know whether this is a
>>requirement from each registry or, indeed, whether there is one place that
>>holds all current domain names that is downloadable?
>>
>>Thanks in anticipation
>>
>>Debbie Garside
>>Managing Director
>>
>>GeoLang Ltd
>>http://www.geolang.com
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