Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

John,
Link me up publicly here so I can sign up and do it all with cc's to this list. 
I have some rights* to a TLD which is very lowtech. I believe that we would all 
benefit from a more active and inclusive space in which TLDs can follow the 
orginal white paper that Postel was involved with in establishing ICANN.  I 
think glass ceilings and restrictions that are in place are a healthy natural 
impediment toward growth but that we need unrestricted space in which to expand 
our horizons.
*My doctoral thesis was on property rights vis a vis restrictions of use 
constituting a taking of property, with all the trappings of due process and 
constitutionality in both United States of America and Mexico.  And I still am 
at a loss as to what property rights are bestowed through the channels of TLDs. 
Mueller and Froomkin seem confident along with Faussett and Oppenheimer, but I 
am still scratching my head.

--- On Wed, 6/9/10, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 10:32 AM



 
 


 
The TLDA failed because not enough people were 
interested in working hard enough to make
it work. It also failed because Joe's misbehavior 
on the public lists scared people away.
 
Its there if people want it to work. Instead of 
throwing stones at it, Hugh, why don't you join the
organization and help revive it? I bet you could 
win a seat on the Board or committees. How
about you and "Jeff"?? Of course, the TLDA has 
identity verification requirements for voting 
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:29 
  AM
  Subject: [ga] Technical Management?? 
  Spam, phishing and viruses??
  

  
    
    
      
        Two different concepts that you have to understand here. There is 
        management via technicalities and technical management. Then there are 
        other issues -- management of technology and the technology of 
        management. 
         
        How to make parts interact can be technical or social. Depends on 
        the parts. Human parts have one very varied set of principals, some 
        machine parts have very "on off" simplicity. The marketing of a 
        political answer to a legal quandry regarding internet privacy is quite 
        technical and requires a complex application of soft science in the 
        areas of anthropology and social justice. So trying to make a clean 
        seperation between technical and Poli tical is nonsense. ahoo.com 
href="mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx";>Hugh 
  Dierker 
  To: Accountability Headquarters 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:29 
  AM
  Subject: [ga] Technical Management?? 
  Spam, phishing and viruses??
  

  
    
    
      
        Two different concepts that you have to understand here. There is 
        management via technicalities and technical management. Then there are 
        other issues -- management of technology and the technology of 
        management. 
         
        How to make parts interact can be technical or social. Depends on 
        the parts. Human parts have one very varied set of principals, some 
        machine parts have very "on off" simplicity. The marketing of a 
        political answer to a legal quandry regarding internet privacy is quite 
        technical and requires a complex application of soft science in the 
        areas of anthropology and social justice. So trying to make a clean 
        seperation between technical and Poli tical is nonsense. 
         
        My humor was that ICANN in its' own in house process uses the 
        failure to apply technology as an excuse to avoid efficiency which 
would 
        be contrary to the bureaucracy they have built up to justify and 
obscure 
        their actions. If this list were allowed or was run efficiently we 
would 
        be dangerous to the status quo. So matters like banning people, 
accuracy 
        in post archiving and anti-spam and virus are to be kept 
        innocuous and unaccontable in the political model that is 
        ICANN.
         
        As to Palmer's comments -- again he revels in a victory through 
        silencing criticism as opposed to honest discourse and transparency in 
        activity. Generally the sign of fear and lack of confidence in the 
        correctness in ones' actions.  But he is a good reminder that ICANN 
        is getting it done where the TLDA is/was failure because of even worse 
        forsight and more lack of human understanding.

--- On Tue, 
        6/8/10, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
        wrote:

        
From: 
          John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 
          [ga] Re:
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 3:59 
          PM


          No need to worry - I contacted a responsible 
          party at ICANN and 
the miscreant has been removed from the 
          list.

You can all go back to your regularily scheduled 
          discussions, none
of which have advanced the cause of domain name 
          owners in all
the years that I have been 
          here.

John
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  
          From: Jeffrey A. Williams 
  To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  
          Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [ga] 
          Re:


  Hugo and all,



    No my 
          experiance regarding Eric is he prefers technical management via 
          some

  sort of politics.  I on the other hand believe 
          that such a practice almost always

  ends up being folly 
          and results in a poor solution or more likely an unworkable one.  
          

  There are no political solutions to technical problems, 
          only technical solutions....  

  On a rare occasion a 
          solution to a technical problem is agreed to or proposed by a 
          

  politician.  But those very rare occurances are 
          usually, or nearly always as a result 

  of that 
          politician consulting with a good technician or one sort or another 
          before 

  offering his/her proposed 
          solution.




    -----Original Message----- 
          
    From: Hugo Monteiro 
    Sent: Jun 7, 
          2010 5:29 PM 
    To: Hugh Dierker 
    Cc: 
          ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  
            Subject: Re: [ga] Re: 

    On 06/07/2010 10:43 
          PM, Hugh Dierker wrote: 
            
          Wow. It would seem that you do not care for technical management by 
          politics.  

        
             



    One has to wonder 
          what's so technical about hitting a "reject/ignore" button. You just 
          made me feel i'm a rocket scientist!

    
          R's,

    Hugo Monteiro.


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<DIV>No need to worry - I 
          contacted a responsible party at ICANN and 
          </DIV>
<DIV>the miscreant has been removed from the 
          list.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>You 
          can all go back to your regularily scheduled discussions, 
          none</DIV>
<DIV>of which have advanced the cause of 
          domain name owners in all</DIV>
<DIV>the years that I 
          have been 
          here.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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  <A title=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          href="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Jeffrey 
          
  A. Williams</A> </DIV>
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          <P>Hugo and all,</P>
  
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<DIV>No need to worry - I 
          contacted a responsible party at ICANN and 
          </DIV>
<DIV>the miscreant has been removed from the 
          list.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>You 
          can all go back to your regularily scheduled discussions, 
          none</DIV>
<DIV>of which have advanced the cause of 
          domain name owners in all</DIV>
<DIV>the years that I 
          have been 
          here.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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  <A title=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          href="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Jeffrey 
          
  A. Williams</A> </DIV>
  <DIV 
          style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  
          href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> 
          </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt 
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          <P>Hugo and all,</P>
  
          <P>&nbsp;</P>
  <P>&nbsp; No my 
          experiance regarding Eric is he prefers technical management 
          
  via some</P>
  <P>sort of 
          politics.&nbsp; I on the other hand believe that such a practice 
          
  almost always</P>
  <P>ends up being 
          folly and results in a poor solution or more likely an 
  
          unworkable one.&nbsp; </P>
  <P>There are no 
          political solutions to technical problems, only technical 
  
          solutions....&nbsp; </P>
  <P>On a rare 
          occasion a solution to a technical problem is agreed to or 
  
          proposed by a </P>
  <P>politician.&nbsp; But 
          those very rare occurances are usually, or nearly 
  always as 
          a result </P>
  <P>of that politician consulting 
          with a good technician or one sort or another 
  before 
          </P>
  <P>offering his/her proposed 
          solution.<BR><BR><BR></P>
  
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          Message----- <BR>From: Hugo Monteiro 
<HUGO.MONTEIRO@xxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: 
          Jun 
    7, 2010 5:29 PM <BR>To: Hugh Dierker 
          <HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: 
          
    ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          <BR>Subject: Re: [ga] Re: 
    
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    bgcolor="#ffffff">On 06/07/2010 10:43 PM, Hugh 
          Dierker wrote: 
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              vAlign=top>Wow. It would seem that you do not care 
          for technical 
            management 
          by politics.&nbsp; 
    
          <BR><BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>One 
          has to wonder 
    what's so technical about hitting a 
          "reject/ignore" button. You just made me 
    feel i'm a 
          rocket scientist!<BR><BR>R's,<BR><BR>Hugo 
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