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Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??
- To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??
- From: "John Palmer" <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:20:59 -0500
To join the TLDA - go to http://www.tldainc.org/
Click the "Join TLDA!" link on the left-hand menu.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hugh Dierker
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; John Palmer
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??
John,
Link me up publicly here so I can sign up and do it all with cc's to
this list. I have some rights* to a TLD which is very lowtech. I believe that
we would all benefit from a more active and inclusive space in which TLDs can
follow the orginal white paper that Postel was involved with in establishing
ICANN. I think glass ceilings and restrictions that are in place are a healthy
natural impediment toward growth but that we need unrestricted space in which
to expand our horizons.
*My doctoral thesis was on property rights vis a vis restrictions of
use constituting a taking of property, with all the trappings of due process
and constitutionality in both United States of America and Mexico. And I still
am at a loss as to what property rights are bestowed through the channels of
TLDs. Mueller and Froomkin seem confident along with Faussett and Oppenheimer,
but I am still scratching my head.
--- On Wed, 6/9/10, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 10:32 AM
The TLDA failed because not enough people were interested in working
hard enough to make
it work. It also failed because Joe's misbehavior on the public lists
scared people away.
Its there if people want it to work. Instead of throwing stones at
it, Hugh, why don't you join th is management via technicalities and technical
management. Then there are other issues -- management of technology and the
technology of management.
How to make parts interact can be technical or social.
Depends on the parts. Human parts have one very varied set of principals, some
machine parts have very "on off" simplicity. The marketing of a political
answer to a legal quandry regarding internet privacy is quite technical and
requires a complex application of soft science in the areas of anthropology and
social justice. So trying to make a clean seperation between technical and Poli
tical is nonsense.
My humor was that ICANN in its' own in house process uses
the failure to apply technology as an excuse to avoid efficiency which would be
contrary to the bureaucracy they have built up to justify and obscure their
actions. If this list were allowed or was run efficiently we would be dangerous
to the status quo. So matters like banning people, accuracy in post archiving
and anti-spam and virus are to be kept innocuous and unaccontable in the
political model that is ICANN.
As to Palmer's comments -- again he revels in a victory
through silencing criticism as opposed to honest discourse and transparency in
activity. Generally the sign of fear and lack of confidence in the correctness
in ones' a is management via technicalities and technical management. Then
there are other issues -- management of technology and the technology of
management.
How to make parts interact can be technical or social.
Depends on the parts. Human parts have one very varied set of principals, some
machine parts have very "on off" simplicity. The marketing of a political
answer to a legal quandry regarding internet privacy is quite technical and
requires a complex application of soft science in the areas of anthropology and
social justice. So trying to make a clean seperation between technical and Poli
tical is nonsense.
My humor was that ICANN in its' own in house process uses
the failure to apply technology as an excuse to avoid efficiency which would be
contrary to the bureaucracy they have built up to justify and obscure their
actions. If this list were allowed or was run efficiently we would be dangerous
to the status quo. So matters like banning people, accuracy in post archiving
and anti-spam and virus are to be kept innocuous and unaccontable in the
political model that is ICANN.
As to Palmer's comments -- again he revels in a victory
through silencing criticism as opposed to honest discourse and transparency in
activity. Generally the sign of fear and lack of confidence in the correctness
in ones' actions. But he is a good reminder that ICANN is getting it done
where the TLDA is/was failure because of even worse forsight and more lack of
human understanding.
--- On Tue, 6/8/10, John Palmer
<jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 3:59 PM
No need to worry - I contacted a responsible party at
ICANN and
the miscreant has been removed from the list.
You can all go back to your regularily scheduled
discussions, none
of which have advanced the cause of domain name owners
in all
the years that I have been here.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeffrey A. Williams
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:
Hugo and all,
No my experiance regarding Eric is he prefers
technical management via some
sort of politics. I on the other hand believe that
such a practice almost always
ends up being folly and results in a poor solution or
more likely an unworkable one.
There are no political solutions to technical
problems, only technical solutions....
On a rare occasion a solution to a technical problem
is agreed to or proposed by a
politician. But those very rare occurances are
usually, or nearly always as a result
of that politician consulting with a good technician
or one sort or another before
offering his/her proposed solution.
-----Original Message-----
From: Hugo Monteiro
Sent: Jun 7, 2010 5:29 PM
To: Hugh Dierker
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:
On 06/07/2010 10:43 PM, Hugh Dierker wrote:
Wow. It would seem that you do not care for
technical management by politics.
One has to wonder what's so technical about hitting
a "reject/ignore" button. You just made me feel i'm a rocket scientist!
R's,
Hugo Monteiro.
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<DIV>No need to worry - I contacted a responsible party
at ICANN and </DIV>
<DIV>the miscreant has been removed from the list.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You can all go back to your regularily scheduled
discussions, none</DIV>
<DIV>of which have advanced the cause of domain name
owners in all</DIV>
<DIV>the years that I have been here.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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June 08, 2010 4:32
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<DIV>No need to worry - I contacted a responsible party
at ICANN and </DIV>
<DIV>the miscreant has been removed from the list.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You can all go back to your regularily scheduled
discussions, none</DIV>
<DIV>of which have advanced the cause of domain name
owners in all</DIV>
<DIV>the years that I have been here.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Jeffrey
A. Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday,
June 08, 2010 4:32
PM</DIV>
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[ga] Re:</DIV>
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<P>Hugo and all,</P>
<P> </P>
<P> No my experiance regarding Eric is he
prefers technical management
via some</P>
<P>sort of politics. I on the other hand
believe that such a practice
almost always</P>
<P>ends up being folly and results in a poor solution
or more likely an
unworkable one. </P>
<P>There are no political solutions to technical
problems, only technical
solutions.... </P>
<P>On a rare occasion a solution to a technical
problem is agreed to or
proposed by a </P>
<P>politician. But those very rare occurances
are usually, or nearly
always as a result </P>
<P>of that politician consulting with a good
technician or one sort or another
before </P>
<P>offering his/her proposed solution.<BR><BR><BR></P>
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Message----- <BR>From: Hugo Monteiro
<HUGO.MONTEIRO@xxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Jun
7, 2010 5:29 PM <BR>To: Hugh Dierker
<HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc:
ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: Re: [ga] Re:
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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 300+k
members/stakeholders and growing, strong!)
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Abraham Lincoln
"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not
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</PRE><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Regards,
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 300+k
members/stakeholders and growing, strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
Abraham Lincoln
"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not
with what is very
often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the
burden, B; liability
depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir.
1947]
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