Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Let us be transparent here for others and myself to understand.  Is this the 
accurate requirements for membership?:
Thank you for taking the time to apply for membership in the TLDA! 

Here is the basic criteria for Associate and Full Membership in the TLDA. Once 
you have completed the application process below and you application has been 
approved, you will be granted Provisional Membership status and welcomed to the 
community of TLD Holders. 

Membership is available to TLD holders who can prove the right to assign or 
delegate rights, cancel or delegate authority for an operational TLD. The 
holder must be a legally recognized entity such as, but not limited to, a 
partnership, trust, corporation, natural person, government, cooperative. The 
TLD must also meet certain criteria of activity and stability. 


1.) You must provide the information for at least two nameservers (TLD 
Servers), on separate packet switched netorks answering AUTH for the TLD, and 
they must report AUTH for a valid SOA. (FQDN Hostnames and IP Addresses are 
required to complete your application). 


2.) You will need to have 3 SLDs delegated/registered under your TLD that have 
content and are operational. These SLDs do not need to have web sites 
associated with them. Content can be an ftp server, an Internet host or STMP 
Server, etc. (You do not have to provide this information today). 

3.) You will need an operational registry - even if it is by hand, but you must 
prove a means by which SLDs can be created and delegated under your Top-Level 
Domain. (you do not have to complete this informatin today). 

Complete information regarding TLDA Membership can be found in the Corporate 
Bylaws on this website, as well as the terms and conditions which you must 
acknowledge (at the bottom of the page) prior to submitting your application. 

Be prepared to enter the AUTH zone data for your TLD, including the address of 
the registry/registrar, the NIC/Info site, nameservers (TLD Servers), rp 
(responsible party - the DNS Administrator's email address), and other standard 
and (RFC Compliant) verifiable contact info as needed. 


Before we get started, please take a moment to review the legend icons to the 
right of each field indicating whether the field is mandatory or not. This will 
save you the time and effort of having to abandon an only partially completed 
application, and having to return later in order to complete all of the 
required portions. 

For fields that are not required, you will have the opportunity to login and 
complete your details in full once provisional membership has been granted. 
There is a 120 day period for you to complete the supplemental information in 
order to be granted Full Membership. 

You will only be completing the AUTH info for one TLD at this time. A TLD 
Holder is granted membership based on whether there is an operational TLD - not 
how many. You will have ample opportunity to add any additional TLDs once your 
Provisional Membership has been granted. 

This application is pretty much straight forward, and if you're an actual TLD 
Holder or Manager you shouldn't have any problem at all completing the required 
portions of the application. 

Once again, thanks for applying for membership, and let's get started okay? 




--- On Wed, 6/9/10, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??
To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 10:20 PM



To join the TLDA - go to http://www.tldainc.org/
 
Click the "Join TLDA!" link on the left-hand menu. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Hugh Dierker 
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; John Palmer 
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??





John, 


Link me up publicly here so I can sign up and do it all with cc's to this list. 
I have some rights* to a TLD which is very lowtech. I believe that we would all 
benefit from a more active and inclusive space in which TLDs can follow the 
orginal white paper that Postel was involved with in establishing ICANN.  I 
think glass ceilings and restrictions that are in place are a healthy natural 
impediment toward growth but that we need unrestricted space in which to expand 
our horizons.


*My doctoral thesis was on property rights vis a vis restrictions of use 
constituting a taking of property, with all the trappings of due process and 
constitutionality in both United States of America and Mexico.  And I still am 
at a loss as to what property rights are bestowed through the channels of TLDs. 
Mueller and Froomkin seem confident along with Faussett and Oppenheimer, but I 
am still scratching my head.

--- On Wed, 6/9/10, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 10:32 AM





The TLDA failed because not enough people were interested in working hard 
enough to make
it work. It also failed because Joe's misbehavior on the public lists scared 
people away.
 
Its there if people want it to work. Instead of throwing stones at it, Hugh, 
why don't you join the
organization and help revive it? I bet you could win a seat on the Board or 
committees. How
about you and "Jeff"?? Of course, the TLDA has identity verification 
requirements for voting 
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??






Two different concepts that you have to understand here. There is management 
via technicalities and technical management. Then there are other issues -- 
management of technology and the technology of management. 
 
How to make parts interact can be technical or social. Depends on the parts. 
Human parts have one very varied set of principals, some machine parts have 
very "on off" simplicity. The marketing of a political answer to a legal 
quandry regarding internet privacy is quite technical and requires a complex 
application of soft science in the areas of anthropology and social justice. So 
trying to make a clean seperation between technical and Poli tical is nonsense. 
ahoo.com href="mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx";>Hugh Dierker 
To: Accountability Headquarters 
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??






Two different concepts that you have to understand here. There is management 
via technicalities and technical management. Then there are other issues -- 
management of technology and the technology of management. 
 
How to make parts interact can be technical or social. Depends on the parts. 
Human parts have one very varied set of principals, some machine parts have 
very "on off" simplicity. The marketing of a political answer to a legal 
quandry regarding internet privacy is quite technical and requires a complex 
application of soft science in the areas of anthropology and social justice. So 
trying to make a clean seperation between technical and Poli tical is nonsense. 
 
My humor was that ICANN in its' own in house process uses the failure to apply 
technology as an excuse to avoid efficiency which would be contrary to the 
bureaucracy they have built up to justify and obscure their actions. If this 
list were allowed or was run efficiently we would be dangerous to the status 
quo. So matters like banning people, accuracy in post archiving and anti-spam 
and virus are to be kept innocuous and unaccontable in the political model that 
is ICANN.
 
As to Palmer's comments -- again he revels in a victory through silencing 
criticism as opposed to honest discourse and transparency in activity. 
Generally the sign of fear and lack of confidence in the correctness in ones' 
actions.  But he is a good reminder that ICANN is getting it done where the 
TLDA is/was failure because of even worse forsight and more lack of human 
understanding.

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 3:59 PM


No need to worry - I contacted a responsible party at ICANN and 
the miscreant has been removed from the list.

You can all go back to your regularily scheduled discussions, none
of which have advanced the cause of domain name owners in all
the years that I have been here.

John
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeffrey A. Williams 
  To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [ga] Re:


  Hugo and all,



    No my experiance regarding Eric is he prefers technical management via some

  sort of politics.  I on the other hand believe that such a practice almost 
always

  ends up being folly and results in a poor solution or more likely an 
unworkable one.  

  There are no political solutions to technical problems, only technical 
solutions....  

  On a rare occasion a solution to a technical problem is agreed to or proposed 
by a 

  politician.  But those very rare occurances are usually, or nearly always as 
a result 

  of that politician consulting with a good technician or one sort or another 
before 

  offering his/her proposed solution.




    -----Original Message----- 
    From: Hugo Monteiro 
    Sent: Jun 7, 2010 5:29 PM 
    To: Hugh Dierker 
    Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Subject: Re: [ga] Re: 

    On 06/07/2010 10:43 PM, Hugh Dierker wrote: 
            Wow. It would seem that you do not care for technical management by 
politics.  

           



    One has to wonder what's so technical about hitting a "reject/ignore" 
button. You just made me feel i'm a rocket scientist!

    R's,

    Hugo Monteiro.


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<DIV>No need to worry - I contacted a responsible party at ICANN and </DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>You can all go back to your regularily scheduled discussions, none</DIV>
<DIV>of which have advanced the cause of domain name owners in all</DIV>
<DIV>the years that I have been here.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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<DIV>the miscreant has been removed from the list.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>You can all go back to your regularily scheduled discussions, none</DIV>
<DIV>of which have advanced the cause of domain name owners in all</DIV>
<DIV>the years that I have been here.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
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  <P>Hugo and all,</P>
  <P>&nbsp;</P>
  <P>&nbsp; No my experiance regarding Eric is he prefers technical management 
  via some</P>
  <P>sort of politics.&nbsp; I on the other hand believe that such a practice 
  almost always</P>
  <P>ends up being folly and results in a poor solution or more likely an 
  unworkable one.&nbsp; </P>
  <P>There are no political solutions to technical problems, only technical 
  solutions....&nbsp; </P>
  <P>On a rare occasion a solution to a technical problem is agreed to or 
  proposed by a </P>
  <P>politician.&nbsp; But those very rare occurances are usually, or nearly 
  always as a result </P>
  <P>of that politician consulting with a good technician or one sort or 
another 
  before </P>
  <P>offering his/her proposed solution.<BR><BR><BR></P>
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    Message----- <BR>From: Hugo Monteiro <HUGO.MONTEIRO@xxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: 
Jun 
    7, 2010 5:29 PM <BR>To: Hugh Dierker <HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: 
    ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: Re: [ga] Re: 
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          vAlign=top>Wow. It would seem that you do not care for technical 
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    <BR><BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>One has to wonder 
    what's so technical about hitting a "reject/ignore" button. You just made 
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