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Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??
- To: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:48:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>John and all,</P>
<P> </P>
<P> I would be happy to help but I don't work for free. Who's going
to pay me how much</P>
<P>for my assistance and what kind of assistance would the TLDA desire from me
or</P>
<P>anyone willing to help? To expect free help in todays global economic
situation isn't</P>
<P>reasonable. On the other hand gaining seed money for such after 2008
is extreamly</P>
<P>difficult if not almost impossible. That's just reality, however
unfortunate.</P>
<P> </P>
<P> This said, I have always been as supportive of the TLDA as I can be
and too the</P>
<P>extent I could given I recieved no compensation for same and still believe
in the</P>
<P>very basic concept of the TLDA. However as I stated above, I am
willing to do</P>
<P>only so much for free. Any more than what I have tried to do will
require mutually</P>
<P>agreeable contracted compensation accordingly. As far as I know now,
the TLDA</P>
<P>has no financing or the ability to gain a reliable capital source or
sources.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>P.S. At one point some time ago I offered to help get the TLDA some
funding</P>
<P>as long as I was not responsible for the management of that funding once</P>
<P>contractually secured and deposited in a account for use and or
disbursment.</P>
<P>That offer was at that time rejected. Go fish!? At that time to
my knowledge</P>
<P>the TLDA wasn't even regestered as any sort of official corporate entity,
not</P>
<P>even a 501 (c3). Has that changed or been effected?<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
MARGIN-LEFT: 0px">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: John Palmer
<JPALMER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Jun 9, 2010 12:32 PM <BR>To:
ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: Re: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The TLDA failed because not enough people were
interested in working hard enough to make</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>it work. It also failed because Joe's misbehavior
on the public lists scared people away.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Its there if people want it to work. Instead of
throwing stones at it, Hugh, why don't you join the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>organization and help revive it? I bet you could
win a seat on the Board or committees. How</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>about you and "Jeff"?? Of course, the TLDA has
identity verification requirements for voting </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceyle="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 09, 2010
10:29 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [ga] Technical Management?? Spam,
phishing and viruses??</DIV>
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<DIV>Two different concepts that you have to understand here. There is
management via technicalities and technical management. Then there are other
issues -- management of technology and the technology of management. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How to make parts interact can be technical or social. Depends on the
parts. Human parts have one very varied set of principals, some machine parts
have very "on off" simplicity. The marketing of a political answer to a legal
quandry regarding internet privacy is quite technical and requires a complex
application of soft science in the areas of anthropology and social justice. So
trying to make a clean seperation between technical and Poli tical is nonsense.
ahoo.com href="mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx">Hugh Dierker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Accountability Headquarters</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:29
AM</DIV>
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phishing and viruses??</DIV>
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<DIV>Two different concepts that you have to understand here. There is
management via technicalities and technical management. Then there are other
issues -- management of technology and the technology of management. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How to make parts interact can be technical or social. Depends on the
parts. Human parts have one very varied set of principals, some machine parts
have very "on off" simplicity. The marketing of a political answer to a legal
quandry regarding internet privacy is quite technical and requires a complex
application of soft science in the areas of anthropology and social justice. So
trying to make a clean seperation between technical and Poli tical is nonsense.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My humor was that ICANN in its' own in house process uses the failure to
apply technology as an excuse to avoid efficiency which would be contrary to
the bureaucracy they have built up to justify and obscure their actions. If
this list were allowed or was run efficiently we would be dangerous to the
status quo. So matters like banning people, accuracy in post archiving and
anti-spam and virus are to be kept innocuous and unaccontable in
the political model that is ICANN.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As to Palmer's comments -- again he revels in a victory through silencing
criticism as opposed to honest discourse and transparency in activity.
Generally the sign of fear and lack of confidence in the correctness in ones'
actions. But he is a good reminder that ICANN is getting it done where
the TLDA is/was failure because of even worse forsight and more lack of human
understanding.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/8/10, John Palmer
<I><jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: John Palmer
<jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: Re: [ga] Re:<BR>To:
ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 3:59 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>No need to worry - I contacted a responsible party at
ICANN and <BR>the miscreant has been removed from the list.<BR><BR>You can all
go back to your regularily scheduled discussions, none<BR>of which have
advanced the cause of domain name owners in all<BR>the years that I have been
here.<BR><BR>John<BR> ----- Original Message ----- <BR> From:
Jeffrey A. Williams <BR> To: <A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> <BR> Sent:
Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:32 PM<BR> Subject: Re: [ga]
Re:<BR><BR><BR> Hugo and all,<BR><BR><BR><BR> No my
experiance regarding Eric is he prefers technical management via
some<BR><BR> sort of politics. I on the other hand believe that
such a practice almost always<BR><BR> ends up being folly and results in
a poor solution or more likely an unworkable one. <BR><BR> There
are no political solutions to technical problems, only technical
solutions.... <BR><BR> On a rare occasion a solution to a technical
problem is agreed to or proposed by a <BR><BR> politician. But
those very rare occurances are usually, or nearly always as a result
<BR><BR> of that politician consulting with a good technician or one sort
or another before <BR><BR> offering his/her proposed
solution.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> -----Original Message-----
<BR> From: Hugo Monteiro <BR> Sent: Jun 7, 2010 5:29
PM <BR> To: Hugh Dierker <BR> Cc: <A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> <BR>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: <BR><BR> On 06/07/2010 10:43 PM, Hugh
Dierker wrote: <BR> Wow. It would seem
that you do not care for technical management by politics. <BR><BR>
<BR><BR><BR><BR> One has to
wonder what's so technical about hitting a "reject/ignore" button. You just
made me feel i'm a rocket scientist!<BR><BR> R's,<BR><BR>
Hugo Monteiro.<BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>fct.unl.pt:~# cat
.signature<BR><BR>Hugo Monteiro<BR>Email : <A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hugo.monteiro@xxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:hugo.monteiro@xxxxxxxxxx";>hugo.monteiro@xxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Telefone
: +351 212948300 Ext.15307<BR>Web : <A
href="http://hmonteiro.net/";
target=_blank>http://hmonteiro.net</A><BR><BR>Divisão de
Informática<BR>Faculdade de Ciências e Tecnologia da<BR>
Universidade Nova de Lisboa<BR>Quinta da
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bgColor=#ffffff><BR><DIV>No need to worry - I contacted a responsible
party at ICANN and </DIV><BR><DIV>the miscreant has been removed
from the
list.</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>You can
all go back to your regularily scheduled discussions,
none</DIV><BR><DIV>of which have advanced the cause of domain name
owners in all</DIV><BR><DIV>the years that I have been
here.</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>John</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE
dir=ltr <BR>style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
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style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV><BR>
<DIV <BR> style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B> <BR> <A title=<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
href="mailto:<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>">Jeffrey
<BR> A. Williams</A> </DIV><BR> <DIV style="FONT:
10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> <BR>
href="mailto:<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>"><A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A></A>
</DIV><BR> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt
arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:32
<BR>PM</DIV><BR> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt
arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] Re:</DIV><BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <P>Hugo and
all,</P><BR> <P>&nbsp;</P><BR>
<P>&nbsp; No mONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
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bgColor=#ffffff><BR><DIV>No need to worry - I contacted a responsible
party at ICANN and </DIV><BR><DIV>the miscreant has been removed
from the
list.</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>You can
all go back to your regularily scheduled discussions,
none</DIV><BR><DIV>of which have advanced the cause of domain name
owners in all</DIV><BR><DIV>the years that I have been
here.</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>John</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE
dir=ltr <BR>style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR> <DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV><BR>
<DIV <BR> style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B> <BR> <A title=<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
href="mailto:<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>">Jeffrey
<BR> A. Williams</A> </DIV><BR> <DIV style="FONT:
10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> <BR>
href="mailto:<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>"><A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A></A>
</DIV><BR> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt
arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:32
<BR>PM</DIV><BR> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt
arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] Re:</DIV><BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <P>Hugo and
all,</P><BR> <P>&nbsp;</P><BR>
<P>&nbsp; No my experiance regarding Eric is he prefers technical
management <BR> via some</P><BR> <P>sort of
politics.&nbsp; I on the other hand believe that such a practice <BR>
almost always</P><BR> <P>ends up being folly and results in a
poor solution or more likely an <BR> unworkable one.&nbsp;
</P><BR> <P>There are no political solutions to technical
problems, only technical <BR> solutions....&nbsp;
</P><BR> <P>On a rare occasion a solution to a technical
problem is agreed to or <BR> proposed by a </P><BR>
<P>politician.&nbsp; But those very rare occurances are usually, or
nearly <BR> always as a result </P><BR> <P>of that
politician consulting with a good technician or one sort or another <BR>
before </P><BR> <P>offering his/her proposed
solution.<BR><BR><BR></P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE
<BR> style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px
solid">-----Original <BR> Message----- <BR>From: Hugo
Monteiro <<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=HUGO.MONTEIRO@xxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:HUGO.MONTEIRO@xxxxxxxxxx";>HUGO.MONTEIRO@xxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>Sent:
Jun <BR> 7, 2010 5:29 PM <BR>To: Hugh Dierker <<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx";>HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>Cc:
<BR> <A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> <BR>Subject: Re:
[ga] Re: <BR>
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bgcolor="#ffffff">On 06/07/2010 10:43 PM, Hugh Dierker wrote:
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=592019.30909.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:592019.30909.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>592019.30909.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
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<BR> vAlign=top>Wow. It would seem that
you do not care for technical <BR>
management by politics.&nbsp; <BR>
<BR><BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>One
has to wonder <BR> what's so technical about hitting a
"reject/ignore" button. You just made me <BR> feel i'm a rocket
scientist!<BR><BR>R's,<BR><BR>Hugo
Monteiro.<BR><BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">--
<BR>fct.unl.pt:~# cat .signature<BR><BR>Hugo
Monteiro<BR>Email : <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hugo.monteiro@xxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:hugo.monteiro@xxxxxxxxxx";>hugo.monteiro@xxxxxxxxxx</A>"><A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hugo.monteiro@xxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:hugo.monteiro@xxxxxxxxxx";>hugo.monteiro@xxxxxxxxxx</A></A><BR>Telefone
: +351 212948300 Ext.15307<BR>Web : <A
class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="<A href="http://hmonteiro.net/";
target=_blank>http://hmonteiro.net</A>"><A href="http://hmonteiro.net/";
target=_blank>http://hmonteiro.net</A></A><BR><BR>Divisão de
Informática<BR>Faculdade de Ciências e Tecnologia da<BR>
Universidade Nova de Lisboa<BR>Quinta da
Torre 2829-516 Caparica Portugal<BR>Telefone:
+351 212948596 Fax: +351 212948548<BR><A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="<A href="http://www.fct.unl.pt/";
target=_blank>http://www.fct.unl.pt</A>">www.fct.unl.pt</A>
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