[ga] OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)

[Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I have no knowledge that Karl Peters has verified anyone. In any case who is
Karl Peters - is he significant?

All I know is that you guys have participated in a scam. Nor am I convinced
by anything you have to say. Once a scammer always a scammer.

Now John - here's the million dollar question. I keep asking it but you and
your alternate personality keep avoiding the answer.

This thread was started by you in an attempt to sell your worldroot DNS
services. Once again I ask - WHY SHOULD WE TRUST YOU.

Thats the real issue here. It's all about trust and nothing more.

cheers
joe baptista

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:48 AM, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:

>  This is getting tiresome. Joe has been told many times that Karl Peters
> has verified that Tom and I are two
> different people. Joe continues to create this fiction because it suits his
> purpose, which is, as far as I can
> tell, to disrupt communities that are trying to actually create solutions.
>
> So, if there are no moderators anymore, let me issue a THREAD STOP.
>
> Please.stop.threat.thx.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* abel wisman <abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Cc:* ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 03, 2010 8:39 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does
> is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a
> moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)
>
> The bad spelling from Thomas Baxter (a.k.a. John Palmer) is intentional.
> Some time back Mr. Palmer told us his alternate personality had a very heavy
> Slavic accent. So I guess to keep up the pretense the bad spelling is an
> attempt at an ASCII version of a Slavic accent.
>
> Now we could stop this nonsense immediately if the GA rules were enforced.
> But considering what happened here some time ago in which the rules were
> abused by ICANN staff I have very little hope of that. But we can try. Your
> welcomed to make a complaint to the Chair if you wish.
>
> kindest regards
> joe baptista
>
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:10 AM, abel wisman <abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>  If you have to send all this nonsense to this maillist, can you please
>> have the common decency to use a spell-checker and not use words that you
>> have no clue on how to spell to begin with?
>>
>> Best of course woule be if you refrained from posting any of this rubbish.
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From*:
>> WHY SHOULD ANY PERSON TRUST ANY INFORMATION YOU SAY, JOE INCLUDING YOUR
>> PARA NOID RAVINGS
>> REGARDING HERMAN XENT?????????????????
>>
>> The way a lot of persons see the issue re Europe in around 2005 is that
>> you did a deliberate sabatage when
>> it looked like I.N.S. would actually succeed and you know the whole
>> industry died off after your stabbed it
>> around the heart.
>>
>> Sorry crackpott, but very few people think that this is only by accident.
>>
>> I think (and do do many peoples and companies, including some sovern
>> goverments) that you did this
>> on purpose to kill the chances of competition for icann are the person
>> that does not have much credibles.
>>
>> I think you are paid from icann. You dont seem to have more visible
>> supports and live with street people in
>> a po dunk town in Ontaio. You called Karl a welfare bumb once - but what
>> are you but even worse because
>> at least Karl is an honest religion person with a nice family who tries
>> hard.
>>
>> You, you are just a sell-off and trator.
>>
>> Sorry that the facts are pain, but there it is and all readers of
>> experince know this to be real.
>>
>> Thoms.
>>
>> BAX! Names Allentown
>> http://www.bax-names-allentown.com
>> Computer setup, training, software and services
>> Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD.
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *To:* Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx>
>> *Cc:* POST-TO GNSO LIST <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *Sent:* Fri, April 2, 2010 10:23:48 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is
>> destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment
>> with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)
>>
>> Dear Mr. John Palmer a.k.a. Thomas Baxter:
>>
>> I think it's an innovative approach sliming me while you market your
>> services - but let's try to remain focused here. Your trying to sell people
>> on using your "free" root services. My only question is - why should anyone
>> trust you John Palmer or your alternate personality Thomas Baxter to provide
>> them with DNS services?
>>
>> I would trust OpenDNS and even some of the OpenNIC servers for DNS. But I
>> would never trust a man like John Palmer who leaves me psychotic messages
>> http://bit.ly/5KxboD ???
>>
>> The provisioning of public DNS services "free" or "pay" is all about
>> trust. Would you not agree Mr. Palmer a.k.a. Thomas Baxter. So once again I
>> ask a simple question. Why should we trust you?
>>
>> regards
>> joe baptista
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>>  I dont see selling any root services here - the serverces are free to
>>> anyone
>>> if they want to just change their dns settings in their computer.
>>>
>>> You can get access to stuff you dont have now like the
>>> http://lion-mail.net which offers spam free
>>> private e mail and looks like you can win a new apple i pad by June 30
>>> too.
>>>
>>> This is one benefit that the I.N.S. should publisize - because not many
>>> people have
>>> changed the dns settings, spammers cant get spams to your I.N.S. email
>>> addies.
>>>
>>> But Joe, you are probably paid from icann to sabatage the I.N.S. This is
>>> true or
>>> you are sychotic, one of the two must be true.  So you shouldnt throw
>>> rocks
>>> at people who tried to make stuff work, like John and Bradley and Herman
>>> Xennt.
>>>
>>> As much as I can tell, you have never created any values at all, all I
>>> see from reviewing
>>> your posting on the internet from day zero is destruction from you.
>>>
>>> Show us all what you have built in the I.N.S.  - (I can hear crickets
>>> chirpping...).
>>>
>>> Thoms.
>>>
>>> BAX! Names Allentown
>>> http://www.bax-names-allentown.com
>>> Computer setup, training, software and services
>>> Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD.
>>>
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *To:* Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Cc:* ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Sent:* Wed, March 31, 2010 7:16:28 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among
>>> root servers
>>>
>>> I'm not the one selling root services here. You and your primary
>>> personality Mr. Palmer are the ones using this forum to sell root services.
>>> So I ask you again the question you have avoided answering - why should we
>>> trust you Mr. Palmer?
>>>
>>> regards
>>> joe baptista
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Oh, so you have better root to use, then - please let us all know the
>>>> ips of the servers and we
>>>> will look in at it and see how much better. Oh, dont waste your time
>>>> with recomending ICANN roots. t
>>>> They are leaving out 90 percents of the TLDs
>>>>
>>>> BAX! Names Allentown
>>>> http://www.bax-names-allentown.com
>>>> Computer setup, training, software and services
>>>> Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web email under the BAX TLD.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>  *From:* Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> *To:* John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> *Cc:* ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Sent:* Mon, March 29, 2010 7:43:10 AM
>>>> *Subject:* OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among
>>>> root servers
>>>>
>>>> Just to repeat my warning. Anyone willing to hand over resolution to
>>>> WorldRoot or INAIC (a.k.a. Public-Root) is playing with fire.
>>>>
>>>> Once again John I ask you the questions I asked earlier. Why should we
>>>> trust you or Herman and his posse to provide us with DNS service?
>>>>
>>>> Incidentally - who is this Herman chap. Does Herman have a full name :)
>>>>
>>>> John I ask you to remain focused on the discussion. More discussion on
>>>> the topic and less advertisements if you don't mind.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>> joe baptista
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:30 PM, John Palmer <
>>>> jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  This is what happens when you rely on one root server network. This
>>>>> kind of thing is bound to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you were using WorldRoot (http://worldroot.net) or PublicRoot (
>>>>> http://www.public-root.com), you would
>>>>> not be having so many problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> My posse and I and Herman and his group of engineers have been
>>>>> providing alternatives for years,
>>>>> in spite of Joe's best efforts to destroy our work.
>>>>>
>>>>> We're still here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our roots are still available.
>>>>>
>>>>> And we have many more TLDs than ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try lion-mail.net yet? You should. Works like a charm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> *From:* Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>  *To:* Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> *Cc:* ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Andrew McMeikan <andrewm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Rod
>>>>> Beckstrom <rod.beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:41 PM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ga] censorship among root servers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Hugh Dierker 
>>>>> <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   Andy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible that this censorship and suppression of the people is a
>>>>>> good thing for the rest of us?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hugh - we don't yet know what happened. And ICANN has been silent. It
>>>>> could be anyone behind this. I have seen some supporting evidence claiming
>>>>> it was the Chinese. But I won't put much reliance on that evidence. The
>>>>> claim is that a gateway in China did this. We know the Chinese run their 
>>>>> own
>>>>> root independent of ICANN. Maybe this was just an accident and a faulty
>>>>> gateway leaked the China DNS. It could be anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>