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Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)

  • To: abel wisman <abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)
  • From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 10:28:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00)

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<P>Abel and all,</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp; Personally I could care less about spelling errors.&nbsp; To me to 
point that out is just being</P>
<P>overly critical and therefore serving no useful purpose.&nbsp; As for the 
other remarks from</P>
<P>John P. I also find them somewhat abusive, but not overly so and far less 
than I have</P>
<P>heard or seen on Fox News or MSNBC for instance.&nbsp; Ergo to me this is 
all more about</P>
<P>personal vendetta's and disagreements more than it is about anything 
else.<BR><BR><BR></P>
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<ABEL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Apr 3, 2010 4:40 AM <BR>To: 
"'ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <GA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: [ga] Re: OT: another 
moment with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects 
in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among 
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2>If you have to send all this nonsense to 
this maillist, can you please have the common decency to use a spell-checker 
and not use words that you have no clue on how to spell to begin 
with?<BR><BR>Best of course woule be if you refrained from posting any of this 
rubbish.<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From</B>: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
<OWNER-GA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR><B>To</B>: POST-TO GNSO LIST 
<GA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR><B>Sent</B>: Sat Apr 03 04:53:45 2010<BR><B>Subject</B>: 
Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his 
positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] 
censorship among root servers) <BR></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">Joe joe 
joe<BR><BR>You didnt answer the question that I just posed in my subj line, 
namely - what positive aspects did you ever<BR>give to the causes of the 
I.N.S.?<BR><BR>We know you were sued by the police in Canada because you 
annoyed the local govt with your complaints<BR>that police officers shouldn't 
be able to stop for meals during their hard days of protection for the public 
good.<BR><BR>The guy from the government, I think he said that your a bit of a 
kook or something like that, so<BR>the question should be asked 
loud:<BR><BR>WHY SHOULD ANY PERSON TRUST ANY INFORMATION YOU SAY, JOE INCLUDING 
YOUR PARA NOID RAVINGS<BR>REGARDING HERMAN XENT?????????????????<BR><BR>The way 
a lot of persons see the issue re Europe in around 2005 is that you did a 
deliberate sabatage when<BR>it looked like I.N.S. would actually succeed and 
you know the whole industry died off after your stabbed it<BR>around the 
heart.<BR><BR>Sorry crackpott, but very few people think that this is only by 
accident. <BR><BR>I think (and do do many peoples and companies, including some 
sovern goverments) that you did this <BR>on purpose to kill the chances of 
competition for icann are the person that does not have much credibles. 
<BR><BR>I think you are paid from icann. You dont seem to have more visible 
supports and live with street people in <BR>a po dunk town in Ontaio. You 
called Karl a welfare bumb once - but what are you but even worse because<BR>at 
least Karl is an honest religion person with a nice family who tries hard. 
<BR><BR>You, you are just a sell-off and trator. <BR><BR>Sorry that the facts 
are pain, but there it is and all readers of experince know this to be 
real.<BR><BR>Thoms.<BR>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>BAX! Names Allentown<BR><SPAN><A 
href="http://www.bax-names-allentown.com"; 
target=_blank>http://www.bax-names-allentown.com</A></SPAN><BR>Computer setup, 
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Joe Baptista 
&lt;baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: 
bold">To:</SPAN></B> Thomas Baxter &lt;baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR><B><SPAN 
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> POST-TO GNSO LIST 
&lt;ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: 
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Fri, April 2, 2010 10:23:48 PM<BR><B><SPAN 
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: OT: another moment with John 
Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. 
(was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root 
servers)<BR></FONT><BR><ZZZMETA content="off" 
http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control">Dear Mr. John Palmer a.k.a. Thomas 
Baxter:<BR><BR>I think it's an innovative approach sliming me while you market 
your services - but let's try to remain focused here. Your trying to sell 
people on using your "free" root services. My only question is - why should 
anyone trust you John Palmer or your alternate personality Thomas Baxter to 
provide them with DNS services?<BR><BR><SPAN>I would trust OpenDNS and even 
some of the OpenNIC servers for DNS. But I would never trust a man like John 
Palmer who leaves me psychotic messages <A href="http://bit.ly/5KxboD"; 
target=_blank>http://bit.ly/5KxboD</A> ???</SPAN><BR><BR>The provisioning of 
public DNS services "free" or "pay" is all about trust. Would you not agree Mr. 
Palmer a.k.a. Thomas Baxter. So once again I ask a simple question. Why should 
we trust you?<BR><BR>regards<BR>joe baptista<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Thomas Baxter <SPAN 
dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="mailto:baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx";>baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</SPAN> 
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">I dont 
see selling any root services here - the serverces are free to anyone <BR>if 
they want to just change their dns settings in their 
computer.<BR><BR><SPAN><SPAN>You can get access to stuff you dont have now like 
the <A href="http://lion-mail.net"; target=_blank>http://lion-mail.net</A> which 
offers spam free</SPAN></SPAN><BR>private e mail and looks like you can win a 
new apple i pad by June 30 too. <BR><BR>This is one benefit that the I.N.S. 
should publisize - because not many people have<BR>changed the dns settings, 
spammers cant get spams to your I.N.S. email addies. <BR><BR>But Joe, you are 
probably paid from icann to sabatage the I.N.S. This is true or<BR>you are 
sychotic, one of the two must be true.&nbsp; So you shouldnt throw rocks<BR>at 
people who tried to make stuff work, like John and Bradley and Herman Xennt. 
<BR><BR>As much as I can tell, you have never created any values at all, all I 
see from reviewing<BR>your posting on the internet from day zero is destruction 
from you.<BR><BR>Show us all what you have built in the I.N.S.&nbsp; - (I can 
hear crickets chirpping...).<BR><BR>Thoms.<BR>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>BAX! Names Allentown<BR><SPAN><SPAN><A 
href="http://www.bax-names-allentown.com"; 
target=_blank>http://www.bax-names-allentown.com</A></SPAN></SPAN><BR>Computer 
setup, training, software and services<BR>Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web 
email under the BAX TLD. 
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Joe Baptista &lt;<A 
href="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B><SPAN
 style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Thomas Baxter &lt;<A 
href="mailto:baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx";>baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B><SPAN 
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR><B><SPAN 
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, March 31, 2010 7:16:28 
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: OT - a moment 
with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers<BR></FONT><BR>I'm not 
the one selling root services here. You and your primary personality Mr. Palmer 
are the ones using this forum to sell root services. So I ask you again the 
question you have avoided answering - why should we trust you Mr. 
Palmer?<BR><BR>regards<BR>joe baptista<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Thomas Baxter <SPAN 
dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="mailto:baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx";>baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</SPAN> 
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">Oh, so 
you have better root to use, then - please let us all know the ips of the 
servers and we<BR>will look in at it and see how much better. Oh, dont waste 
your time with recomending ICANN roots. t<BR>They are leaving out 90 percents 
of the TLDs<BR>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>BAX! Names Allentown<BR><SPAN><SPAN><A 
href="http://www.bax-names-allentown.com"; target=_blank 
rel=nofollow>http://www.bax-names-allentown.com</A></SPAN></SPAN><BR>Computer 
setup, training, software and services<BR>Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web 
email under the BAX TLD. 
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Joe Baptista &lt;<A 
href="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B><SPAN
 style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> John Palmer &lt;<A 
href="mailto:jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;
 
<DIV><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <A 
href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR></DIV><B><SPAN 
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Mon, March 29, 2010 7:43:10 
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> OT - a moment with 
John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers<BR></FONT>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Just to repeat my warning. Anyone willing to hand over resolution to 
WorldRoot or INAIC (a.k.a. Public-Root) is playing with fire.<BR><BR>Once again 
John I ask you the questions I asked earlier. Why should we trust you or Herman 
and his posse to provide us with DNS service?<BR><BR>Incidentally - who is this 
Herman chap. Does Herman have a full name :)<BR><BR>John I ask you to remain 
focused on the discussion. More discussion on the topic and less advertisements 
if you don't mind.<BR><BR>cheers<BR>joe baptista <BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:30 PM, John Palmer <SPAN 
dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="mailto:jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank 
rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</SPAN>
 wrote:<BR>
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0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is what happens when you rely on one root 
server network. This kind of thing is bound to happen. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>If you were using WorldRoot (<A 
href="http://worldroot.net"; target=_blank>http://worldroot.net</A>) or 
PublicRoot (<A href="http://www.public-root.com"; 
target=_blank>http://www.public-root.com</A>), you 
would</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>not be having so many problems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My posse and I and Herman and his group of 
engineers have been providing alternatives for years,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>in spite of Joe's best efforts to destroy our 
work. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We're still here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Our roots are still available.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And we have many more TLDs than ICANN.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Try <A href="http://lion-mail.net"; target=_blank 
rel=nofollow>lion-mail.net</A> yet? You should. Works like a charm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John</FONT></DIV><FONT color=#888888></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: 
normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: 
none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; 
-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: 
-moz-initial"><B>From:</B> <A title=baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
href="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Joe Baptista</A> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: 
normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx 
href="mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx";>Hugh Dierker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: 
normal"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A 
title=andrewm@xxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:andrewm@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank 
rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:andrewm@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>Andrew McMeikan</A> ; <A 
title=rod.beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx href="mailto:rod.beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:rod.beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx";>Rod 
Beckstrom</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: 
normal"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:41 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: 
normal"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] censorship among root servers</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Hugh Dierker <SPAN 
dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow 
ymailto="mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx";>hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;</SPAN> 
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Andy,</DIV>
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<DIV>Is it possible that this censorship and suppression of the people is a 
good thing for the rest of us?&nbsp; 
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<DIV><BR>Hugh - we don't yet know what happened. And ICANN has been silent. It 
could be anyone behind this. I have seen some supporting evidence claiming it 
was the Chinese. But I won't put much reliance on that evidence. The claim is 
that a gateway in China did this. We know the Chinese run their own root 
independent of ICANN. Maybe this was just an accident and a faulty gateway 
leaked the China DNS. It could be 
anything.<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR
 
clear=all><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey
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