Re: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability

[Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Debbie - please remember who you are. I can get away with for making fun.
Can you?

Debbie - you have participated in a fraud. Congratulations. You have been
rewarded by the ICANN hord - congratulations on your recent appointment to
evaluate TLDs.

I don't think your qualified. You've gone a bit wacko on more then one
occasion. Your appointment by ICANN leaves me purplexed. They owe you big
time at ICANN for supporting the fraud - I guess. And you negotiated
yourself a pretty good deal. Congrates to you and the big K.

In any case Debbie - use Avri and Glen as role models. Don't pander to your
basic avarice - that is a weakness.

cheers
joe baptista

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

>
>
> Forsooth, doth thou think'st thou may'st cease as Chair of the veritable GA
> if thou calleth an election!  Pray tell!  Why would'st thou think'st so!
> What say'st thou, O noble Chair?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
> > Sent: 04 August 2009 18:05
> > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; Debbie Garside
> > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> > Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> >
> > And pursuant to exactly what would you have me do this?
> >
> > ----------
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless mobile phone
> >
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "'Hugh Dierker'"
> > <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>,<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"'Glen de Saint
> > Géry'" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Tue, Aug 4, 8:34 AM +0100
> > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> > Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> > So Eric..
> >
> > You have heard from Avri that her term expires on the 30th of
> > October 2009.
> > I believe your term expired last year.  I would be grateful
> > if you could call an election as soon as possible.
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
> > Sent: 04 August 2009 02:21
> > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment:
> > Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> >
> >
> > Now I know you are just not paying attention.  I will try
> > again.  When did/does Avri's term expire? When does/did
> > Twomey's term, Dengate-Thrushs'
> > term expire?  When did/does the existing or 2000 BoD members'
> > term expire?
> >
> > For help and insight look up Karl's term and the term
> > boardsquatting.  You see my remaining as Chair is in the best
> > tradition of ICANN. Your unceromonious termination as a
> > monitor is also in the best tradition of ICANN.  As bad in
> > taste as this reference may be -- the only two of note who
> > left their posts in timely fashion are very much no longer with us.
> >
> >  By the way I believe JW has been reinstated. If this is
> > wrong perhaps Glen can tell us why she is directly violating
> > directives from the Council and acting unilaterally at
> > direction of other staff.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment:
> > Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> > To: "'Hugh Dierker'" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>,
> > ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "'Glen de Saint Géry'" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 2:26 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > Nice try!  I am, of course, referring to your term as Chair
> > of the GA - which has expired.  You should now consult with
> > the GA Secretariat and call an Election.
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@yah
> oo.com<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@yah%0Aoo.com>>
> ]
> > > Sent: 03 August 2009 22:06
> > > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> g <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%0Ag>> ;
> 'Glen de Saint Géry'; Debbie Garside
> > > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> > > Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> > >
> > > I am looking for the hidden humor.  It escapes me.
> > > Do we have a BoD CEO?  Is Avri still chair? Answer--All expired.
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless mobile phone
> > >
> > > ------Original Message------
> > > From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=debbie@ictmarket
> ing.co.uk> >
> > > To: "'Hugh Dierker'"
> > > <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >,<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> g <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%0Ag>>
> >,"'Glen de Saint
> > > Géry'" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Glen@xxxxxxxxx> >
> > > Date: Mon, Aug 3, 3:12 PM +0100
> > > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> > > Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does this mean that we should start afresh with a new Chair
> > too?  As I
> > > am sure you are aware, your term has expired.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now would be an excellent time to call for an election.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Debbie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    _____
> > >
> > > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-ga@xxxxxxx
> ann.org<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-ga@xxxxxxx%0Aann.org>
> >
> > > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-ga@xxxxxxx
> ann.org<http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-ga@xxxxxxx%0Aann.org>>
> ] On Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
> > > Sent: 02 August 2009 05:07
> > > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> g <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%0Ag>> ;
> Glen de Saint Géry
> > > Subject: Re: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment:
> > > Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Glen,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In light of your notice of this thread. In furtherance and keeping
> > > with the intent and spirit of ICANN's changes to increase Public
> > > Comment and create a more inclusive environment:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The suspension from the GA list of Jeff Williams was actuated by a
> > > since resigned monitor.
> > >
> > > It was contrary to our best rules of procedure.
> > >
> > > However it was allowed until this time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While our rules have many questionable processes and are lacking in
> > > broad support, they are in fact the best we have since the
> > passage of
> > > resolution
> > > 20070906-2 of the GNSO Council, which was passed at our request to
> > > self organize.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As is obvious from the original title of this thread, ICANN
> > is dynamic
> > > and changing.  In order for there to be an effective public comment
> > > forum specifically for the GNSO we must start fresh with no
> > > suspensions.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric Hugh Dierker
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Glen@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Glen@xxxxxxxxx> >
> > > Subject: [ga] Public Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve
> > > Accountability
> > > To: "ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> "
> > <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> > > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 1:39 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > HYPERLINK
> > > "http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-27jul09-en.htm";
> > > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-27jul09-en.htm
> > > Public Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> > >
> > > 27 July 2009
> > > Two proposed accountability measures have been posted by
> > direction of
> > > the Board for 60 days of public comments, from
> > > 23 July 2009 through 25 September 2009. This is the latest
> > step in the
> > > Improving Institutional Confidence process.
> > >
> > > The first bylaw revision is a new mechanism called the "Community
> > > Re-Examination Vote". It would allow the ICANN community to request
> > > the Board to re-examine a Board decision taken by resolution.
> > >
> > > The second proposal would revise one of the existing bylaws and
> > > replace the independent third-party review process with a
> > more robust
> > > process, the "Independent Review Body".
> > >
> > > These proposals represent a significant step forward in ICANN's
> > > already considerable accountability. The draft bylaw
> > changes have been
> > > developed in response to community input to the President's
> > Strategy
> > > Committee over the last 12 months.
> > >
> > > You are invited to review the proposed changes to the ICANN Bylaws
> > > linked to on this page and provide your input to the public
> > comments
> > > forum.
> > >
> > > Details of proposed changes
> > >
> > > 1. Community Re-Examination Vote
> > >
> > > The ICANN Bylaws currently set forth three mechanisms for
> > > accountability and review of ICANN Board decisions: (1) the
> > > Reconsideration Process, Article IV, Section 2; (2) the Independent
> > > Review Process, Article IV, Section 3; and (3) the Office of the
> > > Ombudsman, Article V.
> > >
> > > The objective is for this procedure to allow the ICANN community to
> > > come together through the Supporting Organizations and Advisory
> > > Committees and vote for the Board to re-examine a Board
> > decision taken
> > > by resolution.
> > >
> > > The proposed Bylaws setting forth the Community Re-Examination Vote
> > > are available here [PDF, 53K].
> > >
> > > 2. Independent Review Body
> > >
> > > ICANN has an Independent Review Process in place, as established at
> > > Article IV, Section 3 (1) of the bylaws:
> > >
> > > "ICANN shall have in place a separate process for independent
> > > third-party review of Board actions alleged by an affected
> > party to be
> > > inconsistent with the Articles of Incorporation or Bylaws."
> > >
> > > The provider for the current Independent Review Process is the
> > > International Centre for Dispute Resolution (ICDR). (More
> > detail about
> > > the Independent Review Process is available
> > > here: HYPERLINK
> > > "http://www.icann.org/en/general/accountability_review.html";
> > > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/general/accountability_review.html)
> > >
> > > The existing review process is limited in scope, and focuses mainly
> > > whether the Board has followed ICANN's Articles of
> > Incorporation and
> > > Bylaws when rendering a decision. The current review process relies
> > > mainly upon the concepts of fidelity and fairness.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > However, following extensive and sustained public input on
> > this issue,
> > > the PSC recommended a broadening of the review process to allow for
> > > review of the rationality of Board decisions as well.
> > >
> > > The proposed changes that would create the Independent Review Body
> > > would allow reviews of both the rationality and the
> > fairness of Board
> > > decisions.
> > > These concepts are described under the rubrics of Fairness,
> > Fidelity
> > > and Rationality in the May 2009 the staff report ("Improving
> > > Institutional
> > > Confidence: The Way Forward" (HYPERLINK
> > > "http://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/iic-the-way-forward-31may09-en.pdf";
> > > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/iic-the-way-forward-31may09-
> > > en.pdf [PDF, 112K]).
> > >
> > > The proposed amendments to the Bylaws setting forth the IRB process
> > > are available at HYPERLINK
> > > "http://www.icann.org/en/general/proposed-bylaw-revisions-iv-3
> > > -redline-27jul
> > > 09-en.pdf"
> > > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/general/proposed-bylaw-revisions-iv-
> > > 3-redline-27ju
> > > l09-en.pdf [PDF, 153K]. Please note: the attached document with the
> > > proposed bylaw text is presented in 'track changes'
> > > version to allow you to compare the proposed text to the
> > existing text
> > > of the bylaws.
> > >
> > > ICANN's legal staff expects the procedures and rules for
> > the existing
> > > Independent Review Process would broadly serve the expanded
> > scope of
> > > the IRB but that some revisions will be required to make
> > them conform
> > > fully to the IRB bylaw provisions, if adopted.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Background
> > >
> > > The proposed new accountability measures are based on
> > recommendations
> > > made to the Board by the President's Strategy Committee (PSC) in
> > > February 2009.
> > > At the Mexico City meeting in March 2009, the Board
> > directed staff to
> > > produce implementation analysis of the PSC proposals.
> > >
> > > On 31 May 2009, the report "Improving Institutional
> > > Confidence: The Way Forward" (HYPERLINK
> > > "http://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/iic-the-way-forward-31may09-en.pdf";
> > > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/iic-the-way-forward-31may09-
> > > en.pdf) was published for information and discussion ahead of the
> > > Sydney meeting in June 2009. This report included two detailed
> > > proposals for implementing the PSC's recommended bylaw changes to
> > > modify or create accountability and review mechanisms.
> > >
> > > At the Sydney meeting in June 2009, the Board acknowledged
> > this report
> > > and directed the opening of a 60-day period of public
> > consultation on
> > > the proposed bylaw changes.
> > >
> > > (For more information about the PSC's work, including previous
> > > documents and public comment periods, please visit:
> > > HYPERLINK "http://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/";
> > > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/.
> > > Information about the PSC itself is at HYPERLINK
> > > "http://www.icann.org/en/psc"; \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/psc)
> > >
> > > Deadline and How to Submit Comments:
> > >
> > > Public comments on these proposals will run for 60 days, from
> > > 27 July 2009 through 25 September 2009.
> > >
> > > To submit comments:
> > >
> > > Comments are welcome via email to: HYPERLINK
> > > "http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=iic-proposed-byl
> > > aws@xxxxxxxxx
> > > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aws@xxxxxxxxx>
> > "
> > > \niic-proposed-bylaws@xxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=niic-proposed-by
> laws@xxxxxxxxx
> > > .
> > >
> > > To view comments: An archive of all comments received will
> > be publicly
> > > posted at: HYPERLINK
> > > "http://forum.icann.org/lists/iic-proposed-bylaws/";
> > > \nhttp://forum.icann.org/lists/iic-proposed-bylaws/
> > >
> > > Glen de Saint Géry
> > > GNSO Secretariat
> > > HYPERLINK
> > > "http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gnso.secretariat
> > > @gnso.icannor
> > > g" \ngnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ngnso.secretaria
> t@gnso.icann.o
> > rg>
> > > HYPERLINK "http://gnso.icann.org/"; \nhttp://gnso.icann.org
> > <http://gnso.icann.org/>
> > >
> > >
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Joe Baptista

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