RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Would you be a good sport and publish here and now the current "self organized" 
by-laws or rules or what have you regarding the GA.
 
You see the problem you have is that you suspended JW.  When whoever it was did 
your bidding they by all logic recognized you as a monitor.  The only way to do 
that was to recognize me as the sitting chair of the GA  --  otherwise they 
could not have suspended Joe and Jeff.  Now Avri has recognized that as 
legitimate and continues to do so.  She is acting chair of the Council. Now she 
could have just said there was no legitimate suspension. Avri is wise. She 
clearly wanted me to continue to act as chair so she did not do that.  
 
Now by what authority would you undue what Joe and Jeff and Avri have so 
cleverly done? Especially with a Sept. 30 date coming upon us  so quickly.

--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment: Proposed 
Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
To: "'Hugh Dierker'" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "'Glen de 
Saint Géry'" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 3:16 PM



Forsooth, doth thou think'st thou may'st cease as Chair of the veritable GA
if thou calleth an election!  Pray tell!  Why would'st thou think'st so!
What say'st thou, O noble Chair?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
> Sent: 04 August 2009 18:05
> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; Debbie Garside
> Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
>
>
> And pursuant to exactly what would you have me do this?
>
> ----------
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless mobile phone
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "'Hugh Dierker'"
> <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>,<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"'Glen de Saint
> Géry'" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tue, Aug 4, 8:34 AM +0100
> Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
>
> So Eric..
>
> You have heard from Avri that her term expires on the 30th of
> October 2009.
> I believe your term expired last year.  I would be grateful
> if you could call an election as soon as possible.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
> Sent: 04 August 2009 02:21
> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment:
> Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
>
>
>
> Now I know you are just not paying attention.  I will try
> again.  When did/does Avri's term expire? When does/did
> Twomey's term, Dengate-Thrushs'
> term expire?  When did/does the existing or 2000 BoD members'
> term expire?
>
> For help and insight look up Karl's term and the term
> boardsquatting.  You see my remaining as Chair is in the best
> tradition of ICANN. Your unceromonious termination as a
> monitor is also in the best tradition of ICANN.  As bad in
> taste as this reference may be -- the only two of note who
> left their posts in timely fashion are very much no longer with us.
>
>  By the way I believe JW has been reinstated. If this is
> wrong perhaps Glen can tell us why she is directly violating
> directives from the Council and acting unilaterally at
> direction of other staff.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment:
> Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> To: "'Hugh Dierker'" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>,
> ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "'Glen de Saint Géry'" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 2:26 PM
>
>
>
> Eric
>
> Nice try!  I am, of course, referring to your term as Chair
> of the GA - which has expired.  You should now consult with
> the GA Secretariat and call an Election.
>
> Debbie
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@yah
oo.com> ]
> > Sent: 03 August 2009 22:06
> > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
g> ; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; Debbie Garside
> > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> > Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> > I am looking for the hidden humor.  It escapes me.
> > Do we have a BoD CEO?  Is Avri still chair? Answer--All expired.
> >
> > ----------
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless mobile phone
> >
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=debbie@ictmarket
ing.co.uk> >
> > To: "'Hugh Dierker'"
> > <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
> >,<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
g> >,"'Glen de Saint
> > Géry'" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Glen@xxxxxxxxx> >
> > Date: Mon, Aug 3, 3:12 PM +0100
> > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> > Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
> > Does this mean that we should start afresh with a new Chair
> too?  As I
> > am sure you are aware, your term has expired.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now would be an excellent time to call for an election.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> >
> >
> >    _____
> >
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-ga@xxxxxxx
ann.org>
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-ga@xxxxxxx
ann.org> ] On Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
> > Sent: 02 August 2009 05:07
> > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
g> ; Glen de Saint Géry
> > Subject: Re: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment:
> > Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Glen,
> >
> >
> >
> > In light of your notice of this thread. In furtherance and keeping
> > with the intent and spirit of ICANN's changes to increase Public
> > Comment and create a more inclusive environment:
> >
> >
> >
> > The suspension from the GA list of Jeff Williams was actuated by a
> > since resigned monitor.
> >
> > It was contrary to our best rules of procedure.
> >
> > However it was allowed until this time.
> >
> >
> >
> > While our rules have many questionable processes and are lacking in
> > broad support, they are in fact the best we have since the
> passage of
> > resolution
> > 20070906-2 of the GNSO Council, which was passed at our request to
> > self organize.
> >
> >
> >
> > As is obvious from the original title of this thread, ICANN
> is dynamic
> > and changing.  In order for there to be an effective public comment
> > forum specifically for the GNSO we must start fresh with no
> > suspensions.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Hugh Dierker
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Glen@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Glen@xxxxxxxxx> >
> > Subject: [ga] Public Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve
> > Accountability
> > To: "ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> "
> <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 1:39 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-27jul09-en.htm";
> > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-27jul09-en.htm
> > Public Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> > 27 July 2009
> > Two proposed accountability measures have been posted by
> direction of
> > the Board for 60 days of public comments, from
> > 23 July 2009 through 25 September 2009. This is the latest
> step in the
> > Improving Institutional Confidence process.
> >
> > The first bylaw revision is a new mechanism called the "Community
> > Re-Examination Vote". It would allow the ICANN community to request
> > the Board to re-examine a Board decision taken by resolution.
> >
> > The second proposal would revise one of the existing bylaws and
> > replace the independent third-party review process with a
> more robust
> > process, the "Independent Review Body".
> >
> > These proposals represent a significant step forward in ICANN's
> > already considerable accountability. The draft bylaw
> changes have been
> > developed in response to community input to the President's
> Strategy
> > Committee over the last 12 months.
> >
> > You are invited to review the proposed changes to the ICANN Bylaws
> > linked to on this page and provide your input to the public
> comments
> > forum.
> >
> > Details of proposed changes
> >
> > 1. Community Re-Examination Vote
> >
> > The ICANN Bylaws currently set forth three mechanisms for
> > accountability and review of ICANN Board decisions: (1) the
> > Reconsideration Process, Article IV, Section 2; (2) the Independent
> > Review Process, Article IV, Section 3; and (3) the Office of the
> > Ombudsman, Article V.
> >
> > The objective is for this procedure to allow the ICANN community to
> > come together through the Supporting Organizations and Advisory
> > Committees and vote for the Board to re-examine a Board
> decision taken
> > by resolution.
> >
> > The proposed Bylaws setting forth the Community Re-Examination Vote
> > are available here [PDF, 53K].
> >
> > 2. Independent Review Body
> >
> > ICANN has an Independent Review Process in place, as established at
> > Article IV, Section 3 (1) of the bylaws:
> >
> > "ICANN shall have in place a separate process for independent
> > third-party review of Board actions alleged by an affected
> party to be
> > inconsistent with the Articles of Incorporation or Bylaws."
> >
> > The provider for the current Independent Review Process is the
> > International Centre for Dispute Resolution (ICDR). (More
> detail about
> > the Independent Review Process is available
> > here: HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.icann.org/en/general/accountability_review.html";
> > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/general/accountability_review.html)
> >
> > The existing review process is limited in scope, and focuses mainly
> > whether the Board has followed ICANN's Articles of
> Incorporation and
> > Bylaws when rendering a decision. The current review process relies
> > mainly upon the concepts of fidelity and fairness.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, following extensive and sustained public input on
> this issue,
> > the PSC recommended a broadening of the review process to allow for
> > review of the rationality of Board decisions as well.
> >
> > The proposed changes that would create the Independent Review Body
> > would allow reviews of both the rationality and the
> fairness of Board
> > decisions.
> > These concepts are described under the rubrics of Fairness,
> Fidelity
> > and Rationality in the May 2009 the staff report ("Improving
> > Institutional
> > Confidence: The Way Forward" (HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/iic-the-way-forward-31may09-en.pdf";
> > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/iic-the-way-forward-31may09-
> > en.pdf [PDF, 112K]).
> >
> > The proposed amendments to the Bylaws setting forth the IRB process
> > are available at HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.icann.org/en/general/proposed-bylaw-revisions-iv-3
> > -redline-27jul
> > 09-en.pdf"
> > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/general/proposed-bylaw-revisions-iv-
> > 3-redline-27ju
> > l09-en.pdf [PDF, 153K]. Please note: the attached document with the
> > proposed bylaw text is presented in 'track changes'
> > version to allow you to compare the proposed text to the
> existing text
> > of the bylaws.
> >
> > ICANN's legal staff expects the procedures and rules for
> the existing
> > Independent Review Process would broadly serve the expanded
> scope of
> > the IRB but that some revisions will be required to make
> them conform
> > fully to the IRB bylaw provisions, if adopted.
> >
> >
> >
> > Background
> >
> > The proposed new accountability measures are based on
> recommendations
> > made to the Board by the President's Strategy Committee (PSC) in
> > February 2009.
> > At the Mexico City meeting in March 2009, the Board
> directed staff to
> > produce implementation analysis of the PSC proposals.
> >
> > On 31 May 2009, the report "Improving Institutional
> > Confidence: The Way Forward" (HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/iic-the-way-forward-31may09-en.pdf";
> > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/iic-the-way-forward-31may09-
> > en.pdf) was published for information and discussion ahead of the
> > Sydney meeting in June 2009. This report included two detailed
> > proposals for implementing the PSC's recommended bylaw changes to
> > modify or create accountability and review mechanisms.
> >
> > At the Sydney meeting in June 2009, the Board acknowledged
> this report
> > and directed the opening of a 60-day period of public
> consultation on
> > the proposed bylaw changes.
> >
> > (For more information about the PSC's work, including previous
> > documents and public comment periods, please visit:
> > HYPERLINK "http://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/";
> > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/.
> > Information about the PSC itself is at HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.icann.org/en/psc"; \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/psc)
> >
> > Deadline and How to Submit Comments:
> >
> > Public comments on these proposals will run for 60 days, from
> > 27 July 2009 through 25 September 2009.
> >
> > To submit comments:
> >
> > Comments are welcome via email to: HYPERLINK
> > "http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=iic-proposed-byl
> > aws@xxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aws@xxxxxxxxx>
> "
> > \niic-proposed-bylaws@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=niic-proposed-by
laws@xxxxxxxxx
> > .
> >
> > To view comments: An archive of all comments received will
> be publicly
> > posted at: HYPERLINK
> > "http://forum.icann.org/lists/iic-proposed-bylaws/";
> > \nhttp://forum.icann.org/lists/iic-proposed-bylaws/
> >
> > Glen de Saint Géry
> > GNSO Secretariat
> > HYPERLINK
> > "http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gnso.secretariat
> > @gnso.icannor
> > g" \ngnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ngnso.secretaria
t@gnso.icann.o
> rg>
> > HYPERLINK "http://gnso.icann.org/"; \nhttp://gnso.icann.org
> <http://gnso.icann.org/>
> >
> >
> >
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