RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability

["Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Forsooth, doth thou think'st thou may'st cease as Chair of the veritable GA
if thou calleth an election!  Pray tell!  Why would'st thou think'st so!
What say'st thou, O noble Chair?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
> Sent: 04 August 2009 18:05
> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; Debbie Garside
> Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
>
>
> And pursuant to exactly what would you have me do this?
>
> ----------
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless mobile phone
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "'Hugh Dierker'"
> <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>,<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"'Glen de Saint
> Géry'" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tue, Aug 4, 8:34 AM +0100
> Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
>
> So Eric..
>
> You have heard from Avri that her term expires on the 30th of
> October 2009.
> I believe your term expired last year.  I would be grateful
> if you could call an election as soon as possible.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
> Sent: 04 August 2009 02:21
> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment:
> Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
>
>
>
> Now I know you are just not paying attention.  I will try
> again.  When did/does Avri's term expire? When does/did
> Twomey's term, Dengate-Thrushs'
> term expire?  When did/does the existing or 2000 BoD members'
> term expire?
>
> For help and insight look up Karl's term and the term
> boardsquatting.  You see my remaining as Chair is in the best
> tradition of ICANN. Your unceromonious termination as a
> monitor is also in the best tradition of ICANN.  As bad in
> taste as this reference may be -- the only two of note who
> left their posts in timely fashion are very much no longer with us.
>
>  By the way I believe JW has been reinstated. If this is
> wrong perhaps Glen can tell us why she is directly violating
> directives from the Council and acting unilaterally at
> direction of other staff.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment:
> Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> To: "'Hugh Dierker'" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>,
> ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "'Glen de Saint Géry'" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 2:26 PM
>
>
>
> Eric
>
> Nice try!  I am, of course, referring to your term as Chair
> of the GA - which has expired.  You should now consult with
> the GA Secretariat and call an Election.
>
> Debbie
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@yah
oo.com> ]
> > Sent: 03 August 2009 22:06
> > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
g> ; 'Glen de Saint Géry'; Debbie Garside
> > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> > Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> > I am looking for the hidden humor.  It escapes me.
> > Do we have a BoD CEO?  Is Avri still chair? Answer--All expired.
> >
> > ----------
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless mobile phone
> >
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=debbie@ictmarket
ing.co.uk> >
> > To: "'Hugh Dierker'"
> > <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
> >,<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
g> >,"'Glen de Saint
> > Géry'" <Glen@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Glen@xxxxxxxxx> >
> > Date: Mon, Aug 3, 3:12 PM +0100
> > Subject: RE: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public
> > Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
> > Does this mean that we should start afresh with a new Chair
> too?  As I
> > am sure you are aware, your term has expired.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now would be an excellent time to call for an election.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> >
> >
> >    _____
> >
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-ga@xxxxxxx
ann.org>
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-ga@xxxxxxx
ann.org> ] On Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
> > Sent: 02 August 2009 05:07
> > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
g> ; Glen de Saint Géry
> > Subject: Re: No current suspensions,,,, was:Re: [ga] Public Comment:
> > Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Glen,
> >
> >
> >
> > In light of your notice of this thread. In furtherance and keeping
> > with the intent and spirit of ICANN's changes to increase Public
> > Comment and create a more inclusive environment:
> >
> >
> >
> > The suspension from the GA list of Jeff Williams was actuated by a
> > since resigned monitor.
> >
> > It was contrary to our best rules of procedure.
> >
> > However it was allowed until this time.
> >
> >
> >
> > While our rules have many questionable processes and are lacking in
> > broad support, they are in fact the best we have since the
> passage of
> > resolution
> > 20070906-2 of the GNSO Council, which was passed at our request to
> > self organize.
> >
> >
> >
> > As is obvious from the original title of this thread, ICANN
> is dynamic
> > and changing.  In order for there to be an effective public comment
> > forum specifically for the GNSO we must start fresh with no
> > suspensions.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Hugh Dierker
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Glen@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Glen@xxxxxxxxx> >
> > Subject: [ga] Public Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve
> > Accountability
> > To: "ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> "
> <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 1:39 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-27jul09-en.htm";
> > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-27jul09-en.htm
> > Public Comment: Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability
> >
> > 27 July 2009
> > Two proposed accountability measures have been posted by
> direction of
> > the Board for 60 days of public comments, from
> > 23 July 2009 through 25 September 2009. This is the latest
> step in the
> > Improving Institutional Confidence process.
> >
> > The first bylaw revision is a new mechanism called the "Community
> > Re-Examination Vote". It would allow the ICANN community to request
> > the Board to re-examine a Board decision taken by resolution.
> >
> > The second proposal would revise one of the existing bylaws and
> > replace the independent third-party review process with a
> more robust
> > process, the "Independent Review Body".
> >
> > These proposals represent a significant step forward in ICANN's
> > already considerable accountability. The draft bylaw
> changes have been
> > developed in response to community input to the President's
> Strategy
> > Committee over the last 12 months.
> >
> > You are invited to review the proposed changes to the ICANN Bylaws
> > linked to on this page and provide your input to the public
> comments
> > forum.
> >
> > Details of proposed changes
> >
> > 1. Community Re-Examination Vote
> >
> > The ICANN Bylaws currently set forth three mechanisms for
> > accountability and review of ICANN Board decisions: (1) the
> > Reconsideration Process, Article IV, Section 2; (2) the Independent
> > Review Process, Article IV, Section 3; and (3) the Office of the
> > Ombudsman, Article V.
> >
> > The objective is for this procedure to allow the ICANN community to
> > come together through the Supporting Organizations and Advisory
> > Committees and vote for the Board to re-examine a Board
> decision taken
> > by resolution.
> >
> > The proposed Bylaws setting forth the Community Re-Examination Vote
> > are available here [PDF, 53K].
> >
> > 2. Independent Review Body
> >
> > ICANN has an Independent Review Process in place, as established at
> > Article IV, Section 3 (1) of the bylaws:
> >
> > "ICANN shall have in place a separate process for independent
> > third-party review of Board actions alleged by an affected
> party to be
> > inconsistent with the Articles of Incorporation or Bylaws."
> >
> > The provider for the current Independent Review Process is the
> > International Centre for Dispute Resolution (ICDR). (More
> detail about
> > the Independent Review Process is available
> > here: HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.icann.org/en/general/accountability_review.html";
> > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/general/accountability_review.html)
> >
> > The existing review process is limited in scope, and focuses mainly
> > whether the Board has followed ICANN's Articles of
> Incorporation and
> > Bylaws when rendering a decision. The current review process relies
> > mainly upon the concepts of fidelity and fairness.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, following extensive and sustained public input on
> this issue,
> > the PSC recommended a broadening of the review process to allow for
> > review of the rationality of Board decisions as well.
> >
> > The proposed changes that would create the Independent Review Body
> > would allow reviews of both the rationality and the
> fairness of Board
> > decisions.
> > These concepts are described under the rubrics of Fairness,
> Fidelity
> > and Rationality in the May 2009 the staff report ("Improving
> > Institutional
> > Confidence: The Way Forward" (HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/iic-the-way-forward-31may09-en.pdf";
> > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/iic-the-way-forward-31may09-
> > en.pdf [PDF, 112K]).
> >
> > The proposed amendments to the Bylaws setting forth the IRB process
> > are available at HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.icann.org/en/general/proposed-bylaw-revisions-iv-3
> > -redline-27jul
> > 09-en.pdf"
> > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/general/proposed-bylaw-revisions-iv-
> > 3-redline-27ju
> > l09-en.pdf [PDF, 153K]. Please note: the attached document with the
> > proposed bylaw text is presented in 'track changes'
> > version to allow you to compare the proposed text to the
> existing text
> > of the bylaws.
> >
> > ICANN's legal staff expects the procedures and rules for
> the existing
> > Independent Review Process would broadly serve the expanded
> scope of
> > the IRB but that some revisions will be required to make
> them conform
> > fully to the IRB bylaw provisions, if adopted.
> >
> >
> >
> > Background
> >
> > The proposed new accountability measures are based on
> recommendations
> > made to the Board by the President's Strategy Committee (PSC) in
> > February 2009.
> > At the Mexico City meeting in March 2009, the Board
> directed staff to
> > produce implementation analysis of the PSC proposals.
> >
> > On 31 May 2009, the report "Improving Institutional
> > Confidence: The Way Forward" (HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/iic-the-way-forward-31may09-en.pdf";
> > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/iic-the-way-forward-31may09-
> > en.pdf) was published for information and discussion ahead of the
> > Sydney meeting in June 2009. This report included two detailed
> > proposals for implementing the PSC's recommended bylaw changes to
> > modify or create accountability and review mechanisms.
> >
> > At the Sydney meeting in June 2009, the Board acknowledged
> this report
> > and directed the opening of a 60-day period of public
> consultation on
> > the proposed bylaw changes.
> >
> > (For more information about the PSC's work, including previous
> > documents and public comment periods, please visit:
> > HYPERLINK "http://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/";
> > \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/jpa/iic/.
> > Information about the PSC itself is at HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.icann.org/en/psc"; \nhttp://www.icann.org/en/psc)
> >
> > Deadline and How to Submit Comments:
> >
> > Public comments on these proposals will run for 60 days, from
> > 27 July 2009 through 25 September 2009.
> >
> > To submit comments:
> >
> > Comments are welcome via email to: HYPERLINK
> > "http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=iic-proposed-byl
> > aws@xxxxxxxxx
> > <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aws@xxxxxxxxx>
> "
> > \niic-proposed-bylaws@xxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=niic-proposed-by
laws@xxxxxxxxx
> > .
> >
> > To view comments: An archive of all comments received will
> be publicly
> > posted at: HYPERLINK
> > "http://forum.icann.org/lists/iic-proposed-bylaws/";
> > \nhttp://forum.icann.org/lists/iic-proposed-bylaws/
> >
> > Glen de Saint Géry
> > GNSO Secretariat
> > HYPERLINK
> > "http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gnso.secretariat
> > @gnso.icannor
> > g" \ngnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ngnso.secretaria
t@gnso.icann.o
> rg>
> > HYPERLINK "http://gnso.icann.org/"; \nhttp://gnso.icann.org
> <http://gnso.icann.org/>
> >
> >
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