RE: [ga] Cross Posting

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

No doubt what you say is true. You clearly are not a member of the unwashed. 
You clearly are articulate, cooth, educated and sophisticated in more than one 
language and on more than one continent. You make one point very clear: Many do 
not want people outside of their class here.
 
Diversity and inclusiveness are the name of the game. Right up there with 
openness and transparency and lest we forget reliability, security and 
accessability. Many write here with ESL - thank you to them. Many write here 
with and from differing cultures. What is crass and dishonorable in Japan may 
be honest and forthright in Texas. What may be just a T-Shirt to Vint may be a 
mantle of honor to a soccer fan. In one place spreading the word openly is of 
much higher value than cloistering in clicques and lists seperated by devine 
rules segregating and seperating the common flow of knowledge. Upper well bred 
society is important. But so are our lowest netizens. 
 
I took an extended trip to a country and met with Prime Ministers and 
Information Ministers and IT educators. Back in 2000. I am moving out of a 
neighborhood to run from gangs who are targeting my wife's profile and shooting 
them. In moving I ran accross pictures from that 2000 trip. For some reason I 
only have a couple of muckety muck muck shots but dozens of shoeshine boys and 
street vendors and fisherman and dock workers. Many shots of them gazing into 
my laptop screen in awe, and of us in internet cafe's where we learned 
together. Learning and understanding should not be reserved for any group.
 
I think ICANN needs this street savy unwashed list. I think they need to keep a 
dose of reality in their preverbial craw. I think we have enough of really good 
men like you who dance the dance and speak the speech. Thank God for that. But 
thank also for those not on the inside looking out but on the outside looking 
inside.
 
Probably you should keep your upper echelon lists closed to the general public, 
but keep this list open to the general public.

--- On Fri, 4/24/09, Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [ga] Cross Posting
To: hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: "'ga'" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 1:23 PM

First of all, my T-shirts have always been clean, at least in the beginning
of the day. As the day proceeds, they get durty as much as a shirt and tie
would.

But more seriously, the dress code is not an absolute value, but is relative
to the community you operate in. The community gives itself rules (and
unless it is a Mickey Mouse group, it enforces them), and in order to
operate in the community you must obey the rules.
The ICANN meetings have a dress code that is different from a reception
given by an ambassador, for instance. A T-shirt, whatever your opinion on
the T-shirts is, is accepted in the former and not in the latter. On the
other hand, to go to an ICANN meeting dressed as you would go to a nudist
beach, would not be accepted, even if you had a shower just before and are
perfectly clean.

So, at the end of the day, the question is what is the "dress code"
for
posting in the GA? This is inextricably linked to the type of people that
you would end up in hanging around.

Cheers,
Roberto 


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        From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
        Sent: Friday, 24 April 2009 16:39
        To: Roberto Gaetano
        Cc: ga
        Subject: RE: [ga] Cross Posting
        
        
                Roberto,
         
        Your use of the concept of censorship is spot on.
         
        The illimination of people who express thoughts in a way that is
distasteful to some.
         
        I remember you showing up to Chair the GA physical meeting in
Melbourne. Most were in suits and nice dresses some in traditonal national
outfits as is fitting an international conference. You wore a rather ratty
ill fitting T-shirt, not even clean. I thought it totally disrespectful.
Elizabeth told me "we all have a right to express ourselves the way we
chose". It should be so on a list.