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Re: [ga] Re: The Inclusive Namespace now has a real E-Mail Service -LionMail(tm) has been launched

  • To: Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The Inclusive Namespace now has a real E-Mail Service -LionMail(tm) has been launched
  • From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:17:00 -0700

Dr. Joe and all,

  I know, I know!

Joe Baptista wrote:

> Well the HEX is one big legal scam and John is a major part of it.  An
> operative of sorts.  You can check his association out here.
>
> http://www.public-root.com/g-root.htm
>
> But I want to make clear.  The Inclusive name space has nothing to do
> with these scam artists.  Were cleaning house.  Something ICANN should
> consider too is a good house cleaning.
>
> God bless.
> joe
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Jeffrey A.
> Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>      Dr. Joe and all,
>
>       Thank you Dr. Joe for stepping up to the plate and for your
>      candor.
>      I am sure that many if not most appreciated you doing so.
>
>       It has also come to my attention unfortunately and sadly
>      that
>      Mr. Palmers own Domain Name for his Email address is a
>      rather horrendous mess as well, see:
>      http://member.dnsstuff.com/tools/dns
>      ite.php?r=homepage&domain=american-webmasters.net
>
>      and
>      htt
>      
> ://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=american-webmasters.net&token=258027474494427c2c65999134c3d019
>
>      As such, and quite frankly, I believe this Domain Name is
>      abusive and
>      should
>      be taken down immediately, so that no other unwitting user
>      will be
>      damaged as a innocent result of accessing same.  We are now
>      blocking
>      any and all access to american-webmasters.net, and
>      encouraging all
>      other affiliates to do so as well post haste so as to at
>      least limit the
>      potential
>      damage and exposure.  Seems that ADNS is hosting this Domain
>      Name
>      and it too should be reviewed closely.  See:
>      http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?i
>      
> =american-webmasters.net&server=&email=on&token=25001979237b43c226b5369338ee9019
>
>      also see:
>      http://pr
>      
> vate.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=adns.net&token=25706ac052c543d323b561923b678019
>
>      which indicates no NS records and as such makes it
>      questionable that
>      such may be pointing to non authoritative name servers,
>      problem records
>      are Nameserver 209.62.64.46 did not provide IPs for all NS
>      records.
>      Nameserver 216.122.7.155 did not provide IPs for all NS
>      records.
>      This of course opens up the very great possibility for many
>      sorts of
>      IP originated attacks.  Not a good thing!
>
>       This sort of thing is something ICANN could handle right
>      away,
>      but my guess is, and I hope I am wrong, is that they will do
>      nothing
>      what so ever and the user community at a minimum will remain
>
>      particularly exposed to this particular hazzard/danger.
>
>
>      Joe Baptista wrote:
>
>      > I think it's time for me to step in and defend the INS
>      (inclusive name
>      > space) community before Mr. Palmer makes a dogs breakfast
>      of it.
>      >
>      > I have asked the TLDA president in waiting, Mr. Gene Marsh
>      to
>      > represent us - but he's a bit shy and I humbly take on the
>      task.
>      >
>      > Please note that Mr. Palmer is not representative of the
>      INS community
>      > nor is he our spokesperson.
>      >
>      > Mr. Palmer is an independent TLD operator associated with
>      a scam over
>      > in Europe we all call the HEX - i.e. www.inaic.com and
>      > www.unifiedroot.com etc.  He has little to no support in
>      the INS
>      > community and his recent travails into INS email systems
>      is more scam
>      > then good intentions.
>      >
>      > I was responsible for putting a stop to the scam Mr.
>      Palmer is
>      > involved with and according to Palmer he has lost a
>      $100,000 USG
>      > because of my interventions.  Thats why he is always
>      making
>      > allegations against me and other he feels I'm associated
>      with.  Simple
>      > paranoia.  He even has claimed I'm an ICANN operative.
>      Imagine that.
>      > Me an ICANN operative.  Those of you now rolling on the
>      floor laughing
>      > have every right to enjoy that giggle.
>      >
>      > In any case the INS as represented by the TLDA
>      www.tldainc.org is an
>      > association of TLD operators and the INS root is
>      essentially a root
>      > that sees all TLDs - this includes the chinese, arabic
>      etc. TLDs and
>      > many more.
>      >
>      > kindest regards
>      > joe baptista
>      >
>      > p.s. please feel free to continue feeding the Palmer
>      troll.  He will
>      > provide us with endless hours of amusement.  Or in the
>      alternative you
>      > might consider having mercy and refuse to feed him saving
>      him what
>      > dignity he has left.
>      >
>      > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:54 AM, John
>      > Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>      >
>      >      What are you talking about? Some INS bashers post an
>      >      irrelevant link to an anal scanning tool that is
>      pointed
>      >      tothe wrong domain and somehow that translates into
>      me not
>      >      being "nice" to people? Dude, you and I are NOT in
>      the same
>      >      dimension. I stand by what I said. The poster ( JW)
>      is an
>      >      INS basher and a Baptista synchophant. That explains
>      it all..
>      >
>      >           ----- Original Message -----
>      >           From: Hugh Dierker
>      >           To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; John Palmer
>      >           Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:41 PM
>      >           Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The Inclusive Namespace
>      now
>      >           has a real E-Mail Service -LionMail(tm) has been
>
>      >           launched
>      >
>      >
>                 John, One does not correct PR problems by
>      pointing out how right they are. When you first put this out
>      there, you did
>                 nothing to aid anyone but INS sophisticates in
>      the use of your concept. I was going to ask you to step in
>      down a notch
>                 and make it user friendly, but I knew your
>      response.. Then you use the name "tool" to describe what you
>      think is a
>                 weakness. A weakness created by your lack of
>      human compatability. Now what is the chance that a man as
>      brilliant as you
>                 in your area,, is also brilliant in interpersonal
>      relations. Hint-- Not likely.The genius often comes not in
>      knowing ones
>                 capabilities, but in knowing ones incapacities.In
>      securities and security they do not look at what is secure -
>      but what
>                 is insecure. If you are this blind to this
>      glaring problem with your initiative how can anyone rely on
>      the reliability
>                 and security of your networks?
>
>                 --- On Mon, 4/6/09, John Palmer
>      <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>                      From: John Palmer
>      <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>                      Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The Inclusive
>      Namespace now has a real E-Mail Service -LionMail(tm) has
>      been launched
>                      To: hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx,
>      ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>                      Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:47 PM
>                       Hold on just a minute: Someone points
>      dnsstuff.com at the WRONG domain (Not the one that has
>      anything to do
>                      with e-mail at all), and it comes upwith
>      some lame complaints about some TTLs being outside of some
>      range on
>                      the WRONG domain, and then when I point
>      thisout, you jump all over me for correcting the error that
>      Jeff
>                      Williams (a Baptista synchophant) makes? And
>      that makes me stubborn/condescending how? I'll translate for
>      you:
>                      All of those involved in this thread
>      (running the bogus dnsstuff query, and then jumping on me
>      when Icorrect
>                      your facts) are interested in seeing the INS
>      fail.  OK, do I get to take a shot at you now? Lets see -
>      Why are
>                      you using a yahoo account? What are you
>      trying to hide?Why should we trust you? Yahoo accounts (like
>      GMAIL) are
>                      used by spammers and 419 scammers... Sound
>      unfair? How do you think you sound to me?
>
>                           ----- Original Message -----
>                           From: Hugh Dierker
>                           To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; John Palmer
>                           Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:42 PM
>                           Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The Inclusive
>      Namespace now has a real E-Mail Service -LionMail(tm) has
>      been
>                           launched
>
>
>                           Dear John, I got this gal who lives
>      right off Pennsylvania ave in DC. She kind of is in the
>      thick of
>                           things there. She has worked some
>      sticky pol. campaigns. Bright as hell. Picked up a dual
>      major BS in
>                           poly sci and pr, got a fancy Masters in
>      PR and international law or something, all of it Cum laudee
>                           dah. Part of the Amer. Uni system
>      there. She has a knack for making people like who they want
>      to
>                           hate. Stays in the background, loves a
>      darkhorse. Point is. She don't need you but you need her.
>      Your
>                           style of public relations can only lead
>      to an abysmal martyrdom.. I would not even wager on your
>                           chance in hell of making your program
>      work with your condescending, everyone else is an idiot
>                           attitude. Any further advice will cost
>      ya. But I reckon your too stubborn to ask for it.
>
>                           --- On Mon, 4/6/09, John Palmer
>      <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>                                From: John Palmer
>      <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>                                Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The
>      Inclusive Namespace now has a real E-Mail Service
>      -LionMail(tm)
>                                has been launched
>                                To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>                                Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:53
>      PM
>
>
>                                Nope - Lion-Mail.net is configured
>      exactly as its supposed to be. The ignorant
>                                tool
>                                at dnsstuff.com doesn't know what
>      its talking about.
>
>                                Of course there are no MX records
>      for Lion-Mail.net - you aren't supposed
>                                to send
>                                mail TO the Lion-Mail.net domain -
>      E-Mail addresses for Lion-Mail are in the
>                                ..LION TLD. www.lion-mail.net is
>      only a crutch portal for people who still
>                                haven't configured their machines
>      to use an INS resolver.
>
>                                As for SPAM, LionMail has a zero
>      tolerance for spammers and terminates accounts
>                                of spammers
>                                immediatly. We have outbound as
>      well as inbound spam filters.
>
>                                ----- Original Message -----
>                                From: "Jeffrey A. Williams"
>      <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>                                To: "Stephane Bortzmeyer"
>      <bortzmeyer@xxxxxx>; "ICANN
>                                Policy staff"
>      <policy-staff@xxxxxxxxx>; "ICANN SSAC"
>                                <ssac@xxxxxxxxx>; "ICANN
>                                SSAC Dave Piscitello"
>      <dave.piscitello@xxxxxxxxxx>; "Steve
>                                Crocker" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>                                Cc: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "icann
>      legal"
>                                <jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx>; "Paul Levins"
>
>                                <paul.levins@xxxxxxxxx>; "DHS
>      info" <info@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
>                                "FTC IP marketplace comments"
>      <IPMarketPlace@xxxxxxx>;
>                                "FTC OIG's office" <OIG@xxxxxxx>
>                                Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:01
>      AM
>                                Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The
>      Inclusive Namespace now has a real E-Mail Service
>                                -LionMail(tm) has been launched
>
>                                >
>                                > Stephane and all,
>                                >
>                                >  The problem with Gmail is that
>      it is a spam perliforator
>                                > extrodinair.  I suspect so is
>      lion-mail..net.
>                                > I do see that lion-mail.net is a
>      DNS disaster. See:
>                                >
>
>      
> http://member.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnslite.php?r=homepage&domain=lion-mail.net
>
>                                >
>                                > and
>                                >
>
>      
> http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=lion-mail.net&token=12504cd81a964e092f54639635bf8019
>
>                                >
>                                >
>                                >
>                                > So yes Stephane, your point
>      below is well taken!  >:)
>                                > Perhaps ICANN SSAC can find the
>      initiative and garner
>                                > the effort to see to it that
>      lion-mail.net get's it's act
>                                > together properly..  As usual
>      for me, I am not holding
>                                > my breath in anticipation of
>      such.
>                                >
>                                > That said, now wouldn't it be
>      nice if nic.fr would be
>                                > so kind and considerate to the
>      world if it would get
>                                > it's act together?  A novel idea
>      I'm sure, and perhaps
>                                > even to hope so is a near
>      miracle.  But I have faith.  >:)
>                                > See:
>                                >
>
>      
> http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=nic.fr&token=13e078b6394942dd2a84269300c3f019
>
>                                >
>                                > Yet I do see that some progress
>      has been made sense I last checked.
>                                > However not quite there yet,
>      eh?  >:)  Could it be that nic.fr is
>                                > waiting
>                                > for it's "Stimulus" check so as
>      to be able to afford to make
>                                the obvious
>                                >
>                                > minor corrections?  >:/
>                                > Vive la France or let them eat
>      cake?
>                                >
>                                > Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>                                >
>                                >> On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at
>      07:19:15PM -0500,
>                                >>  John Palmer
>      <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
>                                >>  a message of 54 lines which
>      said:
>                                >>
>                                >> > Check it out at
>      http://lion-mail..net
>                                >>
>                                >> > LionMail is a low cost web
>      based e-mail service
>                                >>
>                                >> Low-cost at $1/month while we
>      have Gmail for free?
>                                >>
>                                >> But the best thing is the FAQ:
>                                >>
>                                >> > Most spammers use systems
>      that do not know about the INS and
>                                >> > therefore they will not be
>      able to reach you.
>                                >>
>                                >> The dummy TLDs are not
>      reachable therefore you will receive less
>                                >> spam. That's something I never
>      thought about :-)
>                                >
>                                > Regards,
>                                >
>                                > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. -
>      (Over 284k members/stakeholders strong!)
>                                > "Obedience of the law is the
>      greatest freedom" -
>                                >   Abraham Lincoln
>                                > "YES WE CAN!"  Barack ( Berry )
>      Obama
>                                >
>                                > "Credit should go with the
>      performance of duty and not with what is
>                                > very often the accident of
>      glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>                                >
>                                > "If the probability be called P;
>      the injury, L; and the burden, B;
>                                > liability depends upon whether B
>      is less than L multiplied by
>                                > P: i.e., whether B is less than
>      PL."
>                                > United States v. Carroll Towing
>      (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
>                                >
>      ===============================================================
>
>                                > Updated 1/26/04
>                                > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng.
>      SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
>                                > div. of Information Network
>      Eng.  INEG. INC.
>                                > ABA member in good standing
>      member ID 01257402 E-Mail
>                                > jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>                                > My Phone: 214-244-4827
>                                >
>                                >
>                                >
>                                >
>
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > --
>      > Joe Baptista
>      > www.publicroot..org
>      > PublicRoot Consortium
>      >
>      ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
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>      Inclusive,
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>      @large.
>      >
>      ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
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>      >
>
>      Regards,
>
>      Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 284k
>      members/stakeholders strong!)
>      "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
>        Abraham Lincoln
>      "YES WE CAN!"  Barack ( Berry ) Obama
>
>      "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with
>      what is
>      very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>
>      "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the
>      burden, B;
>      liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied
>      by
>      P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
>      United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir.
>      1947]
>      =====
>      =========================================================
>      Updated 1/26/04
>      CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data
>      security IDNS.
>      div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
>      ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
>      jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>      My Phone: 214-244-4827
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Joe Baptista
> www.publicroot.org
> PublicRoot Consortium
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive,
> Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052)
>     Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084
>

Regards,

Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 284k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln
"YES WE CAN!"  Barack ( Berry ) Obama

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
My Phone: 214-244-4827




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