Re: [ga] AGP Formal Resolution

[<chris@xxxxxx>]

Then we would also need to add to the list. I liked the first 2 choices, but if 
we are going to expand to each individual concern, then the number of threads 
will be much longer.

GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Typo Corrections
GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Cart Hold
GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Fraud Remedies
GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Testing of Systems
GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Buyer's Remorse
GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Frontrunning
GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Domain Tasting
GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Domain Kiting
GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Registrar Abuses (like locking in a domain 
to only be registered through them and participating in activities such as 
those listed above)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dominik Filipp 
  To: debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Hugh Dierker ; Joe Baptista 
  Cc: ga 
  Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:59 AM
  Subject: RE: [ga] AGP Formal Resolution


  Hi Debbie,

  Yes, you are right. This was also my intention at the very beginning. Ok, the 
newly proposed sublevel threads regarding the desired granulation and topic 
importance could be

  GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Typo Corrections
  GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Cart Hold
  GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Fraud Remedies
  GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Testing of Systems
  GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Buyer's Remorse

  and the catch-all thread (necessary)

  GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Additional Topics and Views

  I, personally, would not prefix the subject title by 'Draft Formal 
Resolution' text as it would make the subject title too long and difficult to 
read. Also, the five sublevels above are of generic nature and can be used for 
variety of purposes not just for the formal resolution. I would instead open 
(later on) an additional thread after collecting a sufficient number of 
contributions delivered to the five generic threads, say

  GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - The Formal Resolution - Draft I

  New threads can be opened (at the discretion of the moderator) at any time if 
desired but I would like to restrict them to a reasonable small number.

  Hope, I have also answered your second post.

  Regards

  Dominik


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  From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Debbie Garside
  Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:31 AM
  To: 'ga'
  Subject: RE: [ga] AGP Formal Resolution


  Hi Dominik

  This looks really good and I am quite happy with the posting levels and 
organisational details you propose.  

  You may like to include the thread:

  AGP - Draft Formal Resolution - Issue 1/2/3.... etc...

  sooner rather than later so that we may work on the wording of the document 
as issues are identified and agreed upon. 

  I would also propose that you include and manage a sub-level for the two 
threads you have proposed as I am sure there will be a number of separate 
issues pertaining to each thread.  This will make it a little easier to track 
consensus on each issue, whilst also tracking other opinions expresses and will 
ultimately assist with the writing of the Formal Resolution.

  Good Luck!

  Best wishes

  Debbie





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    From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Dominik Filipp
    Sent: 17 April 2008 09:09
    To: Hugh Dierker
    Cc: ga
    Subject: RE: [ga] AGP Formal Resolution


    Eric and all,

    Ok, thank you. I will step forward for the organizing of domain tasting 
related posts.

    Some my proposals

    1. At the beginning, I see your and the list monitors' role to justify and 
approve the daily posting limit. I would propose to go over to 10 posts per 
day/person for issue-related posts while keeping the current 5 post limit for 
other posts; that is, 15 posts/person/day collectively. Would it be ok?

    2. Then I, as a moderator, would initially open 2 threads with subjects

    GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Registrars/Registries Concerns
    GA_ISSUE-001: Domain Tasting | AGP - Additional Topics and Views

    where

    a) "GA_ISSUE-" an issue-related-post identifier; this can be used for 
private post filtering and internal mail organization
    b) "001" - the unique code of this first 'Domain Tasting' issue (1000 - 1 
possible issues opened should be sufficient :-)
    c) "Domain Tasting | AGP" - issue | category [| subcategory...] etc.
    d) "- Registrars/Registries Concerns" - main thread topic

    These threads should collect facts/views/opinions on the topics prior to 
preparing the final resolution, which will be another 3. thread opened later on.

    Any ideas and/or wording corrections are appreciated.

    Dominik


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    From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Hugh Dierker
    Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:25 PM
    To: ga
    Subject: Re: [ga] AGP Formal Resolution


    I find nothing disagreeable here. If some one will step forward for the 
organizing of the contributions that would be our next step. (I cannot organize 
my socks into same color pairs so I am not the one) If no one comes forth I 
will search out and find someone.

    Thank you both for your contributions.

    Eric

    chris@xxxxxx wrote: 
      Dominik, just tell me what you want me to do. I'm all for option 3 
without the extra chatter.

      Chris McElroy


        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Dominik Filipp 
        To: Hugh Dierker 
        Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:38 AM
        Subject: RE: [ga] AGP Formal Resolution


        Eric and others,

        The resolution should gain more support within the GA to achieve al 
least a certain degree of credibility.

        I've been taking the bull by the horns for a while but this motion 
shouldn't be a one man's show but rather a result of a comprehensible 
deliberation over the issue discussed here. It all has started quite 
encouragingly with number of Chris's, Jeff's and Karl's valuable contributions, 
just mentioning a few. But the people here have apparently started feeling 
frustrated and the number of relevant posts has decreased rapidly.

        I understand that everyone is already fed up with all that perpetual 
ignorance but I see three ways how to proceed further. We can let things slide, 
or chatter about everything during coffee breaks, or go into it. As for me, I 
am wavering between the first and the third option. It depends on the overall 
support gained here on the GA. Maybe some of us are feeling frustrated or a bit 
paralyzed but I think the intellectual potential presented here is a good basis 
for self-confidence. It is very likely that we were able to collect more 
evidence than all other official bodies have done so far collectively. In fact, 
only the registrars/registries were able to issue relevant arguments worth 
considering and elaborating on. The rest is mostly just a masquerade.
        There is also another dimension to consider; an attempt to build up and 
test a real bottom-up process to find out whether this is doable at all. But 
the decision is, of course, up to everyone.

        Ok, stop chattering now. Eric, the formal resolution will require some 
sort of minor management as well as some small modifications to take into 
effect. It is likely that once the motion gains more support the daily post 
limit will be found insufficient. Also the resulting resolution will likely be 
seconded and eventually issued as a pdf document, ok? I personally do not want 
to discuss too much over the management details but rather get it running and 
to correcting it on the fly.

        I can moderate this issue on the GA. The first step could be opening a 
thread on the issue. I would start with the five registrars/registries concerns 
enumerated in the official domain tasting report. Several posts sent here 
already address these concerns more in detail so those can be further discussed 
or recollected.

        Would it be acceptable?

        Dominik



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        From: Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx] 
        Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:23 AM
        To: Dominik Filipp; debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: Re: [ga] Formal resolution


        Dominik,

        Absolutely. Somehow we should start with taking our header string and 
actually narrowing it down further as there are some relevant yet innapplicable 
posts there.
        The person - selfulfilling, most interested in the matter should take 
the bull by the horns.
        I of course will be here to assist as will many other GA members. 
        We will be heard if a credible resolution is passed.

        Eric



          Eric,

          What about to prepare the more formal GA resolution regarding the AGP
          you have proposed?
          We could start collecting relevant points regarding this.

          Dominik

          ________________________________

          > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
          Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
          > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 8:18 PM
          > To: debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
          > Subject: Re: [ga] List Rules

          > ...

          > We are at a point for the first time in months,
          > that the list is coalescing into the form of
          > producing a statement/motion. The AGP issue
          > seems to have come to a head and more formal
          > resolution procedures may be appropriate.
          > I believe it is at a motion stage with 4 seconds.
          > If the desire is to move forward in a constructive
          > effective matter, we should hear that from the members.

          > Eric




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