RE: [ga] domain tasting comments

["Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Chris

> So, if keeping the AGP is important as the registrars and
> registries claim, and part of that claim includes they are
> trying to protect consumers, then add a provision that states
> that registrars must make it clear at the point of
> registration that the consumer has this protection.

I do see your reasoning.  It would remain to be seen whether adding this as
a clause would further add to the problems already being faced.  I can
foresee problems with automated systems being hi-jacked which could result
in fat bills for registrars.

best regards

Debbie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of chris@xxxxxx
> Sent: 03 April 2008 19:52
> To: debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'GA'
> Subject: Re: [ga] domain tasting comments
>
>
> Debbie, not so. Most people do not know there is anything
> called an AGP or what it is for. Many people find the
> Internet a complete mystery and this includes many business
> owners. They do not see business on the web the same way they
> see offline business. I know most members on this list assume
> that the average user knows about some of these things, but
> they don't I deal with business owners every day and some of
> them have to have hosting explained to them. They have no
> clue how things work on the Internet. They are not technical people.
>
> Assuming people know they can return a domain name is an
> erroneous assumption. The registrars certainly do not do
> anything to make sure they do know it either. So for them to
> claim that they want to keep the AGP even partly to protect
> consumers is a smokescreen. If that were untrue, as I said
> before, it would be clear to anyone registering a domain name
> and currently it is not clear.
>
> So, if keeping the AGP is important as the registrars and
> registries claim, and part of that claim includes they are
> trying to protect consumers, then add a provision that states
> that registrars must make it clear at the point of
> registration that the consumer has this protection.
>
> Chris McElroy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "'GA'" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [ga] domain tasting comments
>
>
> >
> > Chris wrote:
> >
> >>> It is not clearly stated at registrars during
> registration that the
> > customer has 5 days in which they are allowed to change
> their mind about
> > the
> > domain name they are registering. If you disagree with that
> statement,
> > then
> > show me a place that does this. If the AGP had anything at
> all to do with
> > protecting consumers/registrants, then this should be
> clearly posted. If
> > the
> > registrars truly believe they are keeping the AGP to
> protect registrants
> > why
> > is this information not offered clearly to every registrant
> during the
> > registration process?
> >
> > Then we would need a policy in place to stop registrants
> from abusing the
> > system.  ;-)
> >
> > Let's face it, as a consumer if you purchase something from
> a shop and you
> > no longer want it you usually know within a day or so and
> contact the
> > company asking for a refund.  Tis the way of business.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of chris@xxxxxx
> >> Sent: 03 April 2008 17:14
> >> To: Roberto Gaetano
> >> Cc: 'GA'
> >> Subject: Re: [ga] domain tasting comments
> >>
> >>
> >> The trend below would suggest that it is working, therefore
> >> why not make it 40 cents to see if it will work even better?
> >> Then if that doesn't eliminate the problem, 60 cents, etc. etc.
> >>
> >> The percentages still do not reflect the number of legitimate
> >> grace period drops. Just common sense to note that 1/3 of
> >> domain registrants do not accidentally misspell the name they
> >> want nor do that many change their mind.
> >> I doubt 1/3 of domain registrants realize they have a grace
> >> period at all. I would be willing to bet that no more than
> >> 2-3% of all domain name registrants know they have 5 days to
> >> change their mind.
> >>
> >> It is not clearly stated at registrars during registration
> >> that the customer has 5 days in which they are allowed to
> >> change their mind about the domain name they are registering.
> >> If you disagree with that statement, then show me a place
> >> that does this. If the AGP had anything at all to do with
> >> protecting consumers/registrants, then this should be clearly
> >> posted. If the registrars truly believe they are keeping the
> >> AGP to protect registrants why is this information not
> >> offered clearly to every registrant during the
> registration process?
> >>
> >> Insiders and professional domainers and tasters know they
> >> have the AGP. So nearly every single deletion within that 5
> >> days is a taster. Show me proof that I am wrong on this. Show
> >> me proof that suggests registrars are actually trying to
> >> protect the consumer with the AGP. Since it does not come up
> >> in the registrtation process, this is a very hollow claim.
> >>
> >> Take netsol for example. You search for a domain name. You do
> >> not register the name. They register it in their name. They
> >> claim they are doin g it to protect me in case you want to
> >> come back and register it. In the meantime it is unavailable
> >> at any other registrar. If they were protecting you, then why
> >> don't they register or reserve it in your name? In that 5 day
> >> hold anyone can register the name as long as they register it
> >> at netsol and not anywhere else. Why don't they or other
> >> registrars ask you "would you like us to hold this domain
> >> name for you for 5 days in case you still want it?". If they
> >> did they would satisfy the requirement that they have a
> >> "reasonable" expectation they will be paid for the domain
> >> name. Just a search query is not a "reasonable" expectation
> >> the searcher will want to register the name.
> >>
> >> So whenever the registrars claim they want to keep the AGP
> >> and that it has something to do with protecting the consumer
> >> you can easily see why I do not believe them at all. If they
> >> begin notifying people who register a domain name that they
> >> have the option of changing their mind within 5 days, then I
> >> might begin to believe them.
> >>
> >> Chris McElroy
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <chris@xxxxxx>
> >> Cc: "'GA'" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:13 AM
> >> Subject: RE: [ga] domain tasting comments
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Chris:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> So how many drops have there been during the grace period for
> >> >> dot org since the 20 cent fee. You say it's proven so there
> >> >> should be some proof of that somewhere.
> >> >
> >> > Indeed.
> >> > Please have a look at http://www.icann.org/tlds/monthly-reports/.
> >> >
> >> > For .org, this is the situation of the percentages of
> >> delete within grace
> >> > period from Mar 2007:
> >> > Mar 2007: 90.3%
> >> > Apr 2007: 90.82%
> >> > May 2007: 91.88%     ***** please note the sudden drop next
> >> month, when
> >> > the
> >> > new policy was started *******
> >> > June 2007: 47.48%
> >> > July 2007: 8.17%
> >> > Aug 2007: 29.24%
> >> > Sept 2007: 31.58%
> >> > Oct 2007: 29.63%
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Roberto
> >> >
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