Re: [ga] John Baxter says the INS is here. Indeed it is.

["John Palmer" <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

This is the last time I will respond on this list - I know 
you all are tired of hearing this, especially since we are
all working on AGP issues.

Remember,  Joe launched his personal attacks as an 
off-topic response to my messages.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Baptista" <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] John Baxter says the INS is here. Indeed it is.


> 
> Before I start I want to thank those people who had kind words to say 
> about me concerning my honesty.  Indeed they are correct.  Now I shall 
> reply to Mr. Palmers attempts to mislead us.
> 
> John Palmer wrote:
>> Let me address this Thomas Baxter issue:
>>  
>> Tom came to me several months ago and asked if I knew anything about
>> the TLDA and if I could help him get his TLD into the root networks. I 
>> told
>> him all that I knew about the TLDA and its good and bad  (mostly due to
>> Joe Baptista) points.
> Look if Baxter is real just have him call Karl Peters at the TLDA.  Karl 
> has wanted to speak with Baxter now for some time and to that end he has 
> offered to call him by telephone etc. etc.  To date Mr. Baxter has been 
> a bit shy about calling or being called by Peters.
> 
> But I don't think this is going to happen.  It is clear from a reading 
> of Mr. Baxters posts that he is you.  At worst we are dealing with a 
> personality disorder and at best you are simply using the Baxter 
> personality to commit a fraud of no importance.
> 
> The inclusive name space community is fed up with phony fronts.  If Mr. 
> Baxter wants his TLD to have some degree of credibility, and as his root 
> operator he now must provide proof so you not lose face again before the 
> ins community,
> 
> I'm willing to apologize to you and Mr. Baxter if I am indeed wrong.  
> But Mr. Baxters going to have to do some leg work to make that so.  Of 
> course I'm very sure that you are Baxter and Baxter is you.  He knows 
> much to much insider details - especially as they concern the HEX 
> project in the Netherlands.  And whens hes cornered he swears just like 
> you.  So until I see otherwise I'm willing to assume the "John Palmer" = 
> "Thom Baxter" is a safe bet.
> 

I can't speak for Tom, but Tom can decide if he wants to call Karl or not.  

Prove your statement or close your mouth. I have some capable associates 
who work out of Bayfield, Ontario who may come over there and discuss
the situation with you. You need to be held accountable for your slanders.
There are methods and procedures in place to deal with this kind of thing.

>> About the same time that he contacted me, I was thinking about setting up
>> a "backstop" root network because I realized that the INS only had one 
>> real
>> root running, that is public-root.com (see Joe, I remembered the dash this
>> time).
> The monstrosity known to the ins community as the Public Dash Root has 
> absolutely nothing to do with reality.  It is not a recognized ins 
> root.  It also fails some simple tests - like RFC 2826.  So here you are 
> misleading the public by claiming the public-root.com is an ins root.
>

All roots fail RFCs to some extent or the other, including the ICANN roots.
And who are you to dictate to others what something should be like. See
Joe, thats your problem, you look down your nose at people and pretend to
be some sort of expert. You engage in widespread slander against people 
who don't follow you around, worshipping you like a god. You are nothing
but a bully who demands that everyone follow your vision of the universe
or else you engage in widespread personal attacks against them. You go
after me with a passion because you know that I see right through your nonsense
and can counter every silly argument you make and will gladly point out 
to the whole world just what kind of fraud you are.

I agreed to run G-Root for public-root back years ago and I wont shut it
off becuase people are using it. Again, I believe in producing results and
doing the responsible thing. You talk. I act and produce value and results.
All of it on a volunteer basis. Go figure....

> The ins root is in fact a limited liability for profit company 
.. bla bla bla, irrelevant bla bla bla
 
 
> So John please don't speak on behalf of the ins community nor make any 
> claims of what ins root is inclusive.  Only the TLDA can do that.
> 

I don't speak on behalf of anyone but myself, but I'd like you to show me
what law or vote made the TLDA the INS voice. Answer: No one. The
TLDA is a nothing more than a coffee clutch, a social club with the same
old gang that was there years ago. They produced nothing and I see no
evidence that they will do so in the future. They can't even speak for 
themselves let alone for anyone else. 

Being the eternal optimist (sometimes), I still believe in giving people 
second chances to produce results. I hope they actually accomplish
some real work and not just spend all of their time on organizational
matters.

>> I've also set up worldroot.net and have populated it with the latest 
>> zone file
>> from public-root. This root is intended as a backstop in case something
>> happens to the public-root itself. I don't intent on editing the zone file
>> unless there are name server errors. If anyone sees errors, please let me
>> know by using the webform at worldroot.net.
> Then you must be very busy editing away.  The zone file you are using at 
> worldroot.net in fact is full of name server errors.  Even the IANA 
> group of TLDs have name server errors.  Like I said that zone is not RFC 
> compliant even with IANA.  Fix your zones.
> 

Nope. If you have any information about nameserver errors, use the webform
at worldroot.net or else shut up. You criticize very well, but I don't see any
useful work out of you. If you spent the time it took to write the slander 
piece to which I am now responding and instead used it to submit name server
errors to the webform, worldroot would be that much better, but in your
usual manner, you would rather spend your time engaging in personal attacks
than making the community better. I submit this evidence to the "community"
for its consideration.

>> If and when the TLDA gets the Taproot done, I'll be glad to substitute 
>> that
>> for the current zone file. I have no interest in spending time ruling 
>> on the
>> validity of TLDs within the root zone.
> You should spend some time getting your buddy Herman Xennt to do the 
> preliminary work for you.  Many of the TLDs you carry in your zone file 
> from INAIC are bogus records.  Since Xennt is responsible for most of 
> these intentional errors then maybe you can get him to provide you with 
> a fixed zone file.  It is not a good idea to carry zone information in a 
> root that is wrong.
>>  

Herman is not my buddy. Either prove your statement or close your mouth
before proper procedures close it for you.

>> Regarding Joe's comments about Tom and I:
> skipping ... I've already said all I can say on John (Tom) Baxter.  If 
> Mr. Baxter is a real person - have him contact Peters.  Very important 
> now for your credibility.
> 
>> My Relationship with Herman Xennt:
>>  
>> I agreed to host a root server in the public-root several years ago, 
>> before Joe's
>> destructive path across Europe.
> Yes, where angels go trouble follows.  I was not going to be responsible 
> for launching a criminal organization.  I gave them some time to reform 
> themselves, then I went public.  Best thing I did for the inclusive name 
> space was give those crooks in the Netherlands and Turkey a good well 
> deserved kick in the ass.  As long as I am associated with the inclusive 
> name space and public root the crooks will never get an upper hand on my 
> watch.  But they will be cleansed.
>>  
>> I have not received any monies from Herman, INIAC or any other groups 
>> associated
>> with them. I have paid them nothing. I have no formal agreement with 
>> them.
>>  
>> I have never met Herman nor anyone else associated with Public-root, 
>> INAIC or any
>> affiliated organizations.
>>  
>> I have never spoken to Herman on the phone nor anyone else associated 
>> with Public-root,
>> INAIC or any other affiliated organization.
>>  

In the interest of accuracy, let me correct this statement. There was one or
two phone calls between myself an a one Jody Newman who was doing 
some work for Public-Root/INAIC back before the big blow-up. We talked
about holding fire on publicity for Public-Root/INAIC. I had mentioned
the PR/INAIC effort on this list (I think it was this list) and he cautioned me
to watch the publicity since things weren't ready for launch at the time.

>> I have received 6 email's from Herman Xennt since 2005, mostly 
>> regarding operational
>> issues regarding the public-root, since I do run the G root on that 
>> network.
>>  
>> Bottom line: I have no relationship, financial or otherwise with 
>> Xennt, INAIC or other
>> affiliated organizations other that that I run the G root.
> John it pleases me to no end that you are doing the right thing.  
> Putting some distance between yourself and Herman Xennt the 
> Public-Dash-Root con man.  I approve of your public mutterings and 
> distancing, but I simply don't believe what you have to say concerning 
> your association with Herman Xennt.  However my belief in you - or lack 
> thereof - is of no relevance here.
> 

Again, your sanctimonious and insulting attitude shows through again, using
slander like "mutterings". I don't mutter, I speak clearly.  Your opinion
about my relationship with Xennt is just that, opinion, it carries no weight
other than in your own mind.

> What is relevant is the fact that you provide him with root service and 
> as such support the operations of a con man.  And you have been warned 
> by a lot of people and are either to disconnected from reality to 
> realize you have fallen in with a sorted crowd or your in on it.
> 

No Joe, I provide hundreds of thousands of users with root service, all of
the people that you harmed in 2005 who are still using G-root. I have a 
responsibility to them, not to Xennt. Unlike you, I provide real services,
not just talk. 

Very unlike you with your "Baptista Vortex" that tossed thousands of people
offline several years back.  Again, you are words, I am action.

> Maybe you don't see the mathematics behind this equation?  Let me 
> explain.  It all comes down to simple credibility.  When I went public 
> with the fraud and money laundering the net result was that a lot of 
> people associated with the project, as you are associated as a root 
> operator, jumped off the Herman Xennt sinking ship.  You however stayed 
> and in doing so defended his actions and made a very public statement to 
> the community that you support fraud.
> 

See above, I support the down-trodden users that your dumped off. 

I also find it very interesting that when responding to my message, you 
deleted the most concrete example of someone that you harmed. I reproduce
it here since it bears repeating:

>>> People like Leah Gallegos whose business product (.BIZ) was stolen from her 
>>> by ICANN
>>> and now has to take another blow when her other TLD properties were 
>>> rendered effectivly
>>> worthless by Joe's actions in Europe in 2005.

Again, selective quoting of messages is dishonest Joe, but that is your
modus operandi.

> Lets look at the facts.  Herman Xennt is a known criminal to the Dutch 
> police.  I verified that with the Goes Police.  He has a police record 
> and was found guilty of criminal charges of tax evasion by the Dutch 
> Public Prosecutor.  This is all public record.  What is not public 
> record is that the Goes Police have a pretty thick file on him.  He is a 
> small time scam artist and since his scams are complex the police 
> generally don't have the resources to investigate.  But the complaints 
> keep staking up.
> 

I hear all sorts of things, including that you stole a bicycle from someone
in Holland and are under investigation by the Dutch Police for drug offenses
as well. Now, to be fair, those may just be rumors, but the same thing goes
for your accusations. May be true, may be false.

> Also on the public record is that Herman was charged in 2005 ?? with 
> operating an ecstasy drug lab.  He is currently under investigation by 
> the Public Prosecutor for tax evasion along with his former associates 
> at UnifiedRoot.  As an insider to the INAIC Foundation and the 
> Public-Dash-Root I can confirm there is about $20,000 to $30,000 euro in 
> tax evasion.  But he's too small a fish for them to go after in haste.  
> They have however gone after his associates Rene Rijntjes and Rob van de 
> Voort of the TMF Group <http://www.tmf-group.com/> in Amsterdam, 
> investors in the UnifiedRoot.
> 
> http://www.publicroot.org/news-2007-04-18-TMF.html
> 

Again, may be true, may not be. Its really irrelevant to this discussion.
If Herman is a criminal, why isn't he under arrest and in jail? Inquiring
minds want to know....

> Remember John.  As an insider to HEX (i.e. INAIC, the Public-Dash-Root & 
> UnifiedRoot) I uncovered serious financial irregularities when I began 
> my audit function in Europe.  When the parties to HEX failed to resolve 
> the fraud and money laundering issues I did my duty and reported the 
> same to the INAIC Council.  You may remember they all resigned shortly 
> thereafter :)
> 
> http://www.publicroot.org/news-2005-09-30-resignations.html
> 
> However - you John remained by Herman Xennt side.  True and loyal.  
> Normal people who are concerned for their reputations will abandon ship 
> when they realize the ship is sinking.  You however choose to stay by 
> Herman Xennts side.  This was a mistake and I think it seriously hampers 
> your credibility..
> 

I am loyal to the users of G-root and no one else. I provide infrastructure
in a responsible manner and don't shut off a service without much advance
notice. The only time that I ever stopped providing root or resolver service
was with Aslan when it was used by people to launch DOS attacks against
other name servers and that the traffic was 95% of that type of traffic. I don't
intend on shutting off G any time soon. Again, responsible provision of 
services vs your all-talk-and-slander and no-value-delivered.

> 
>> You need to be careful about what information Joe gives you. You have 
>> to understand
>> that Joe destroyed the best (and probably last) good chance that the 
>> Inclusive TLD
>> industry had when we he went off the deep end in 2005 regarding some 
>> perceived
>> wrong-doings that had taken place with public-root.com (Sorry Joe, we 
>> all make type-o's,
>> thats not a capital offense).
> 
> Of course I destroyed it.  

Along with:

>>> People like Leah Gallegos whose business product (.BIZ) was stolen from her 
>>> by ICANN
>>> and now has to take another blow when her other TLD properties were 
>>> rendered effectivly
>>> worthless by Joe's actions in Europe in 2005.

> But I completely disagree that it was the 
> last chance for the inclusive TLD industry.  Hell no.  You John Baxter 
> have been in exile for far too long.  You have no idea what is happening 
> in the industry.  There are possibly two commercial roots that will be 
> inclusive name space compliant coming online.  We will see.
> 

Again, give us details. You demand that Tom Baxter prove his existence, I demand
that you prove the existence of these roots. If they do indeed exist, good for 
the INS!
More real services online vs empty talk.

> But seriously John.  You would have me hand over control of critical ins 
> resources to a pack of clowns.  

You have no control over INS resources. Again, you claim much, much more
importance than you actually are. Again, more of your attempt to create an 
aura of authority around yourself that you DO NOT have.

> Remember John I was an insider and based 
> on my audits.

Again, using words like "audits" makes it sound like you are an official 
or something. You aren't a CPA. You can't audit anything. You stuck your nose
in someone else's business, thats all.

> I have no problems with stating publicly that the 
> organizations you provide root service too are involved in tax evasion, 
> both in Britain and the Netherlands, money laundering, and embezzlement 
> (80,000 USD).  

Court cases, conviction dates, please? 

Now, it may all be true, but you need to prove these claims.

>That is what I can ascertain based on an insiders 
> examination of INAICs finances.  Thats on the books.  Off book were 
> looking at possible associations with drugs and prostitution.  

Again, more slinging around of loaded words. Prove this connection with
drugs and prostitution.

> These are 
> the people you are associating with when you provide root service to 
> Herman Xennt.  But thats only my opinion because in the end thats your 
> business, and your problem.

I don't provide root service to Xennt, I provide root service to internet users.

> 
> But John, seriously, are these the type of people that you would expect 
> me to associate with?  Are these the quality of people you would have 
> operate a trusted inclusive name space?  John, my ethics and morals rule 
> set says no. 
> 

No, I would expect that they wouldn't want anything to do with you and
that list of people who see through you is growing.

>> Joe managed to single-handedly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory 
>> and in the end
>> cost many TLD operators, some of whom (like myself) have been 
>> investing in our
>> registry businesses for 10 years, hundreds of thousands of dollars and 
>> dashing the hopes
>> of others who are trying to make ends meet.
> Lets take out the small violin and play john a sad viola score for his 
> repertoire of complaints.
> 

No, how about you answering for the damage you have done.

> John - like you I have suffered financially because of INAIC.  

No Joe, I and others (Leah, etc) have suffered because of YOU and
no one else.

>But as an 
> INAIC insider and the Public Root Representative I had a choice to 
> make.  I could of stayed silent on the fraud, and made some money off 
> the fraud, and participated in the cover up - like you.  But I'm not 
> like you.  I did the right thing - I gave them a limited amount of time 
> to repay into the company the monies which were stolen (embezzled), plus 
> other directives.  I advised the council members of my findings and got 
> their support.  When I realized INAIC was going to continue in paralysis 
> and not follow my directives I blew the whistle, the council resigned 
> and the community abandoned the project.
> 
> You might say John that where angels go trouble follows because angels 
> have very high standards.  When I agreed to take on my duties at INAIC, 
> the one thing I did not agree to was the creation of an ICANN clone for 
> criminals.  One needs to draw a line when it comes to ethics.  I'm on 
> one side of the line - your on the other, it seems.  It's all perception.
>

There are ways to handle things that do not cause widespread destruction
to innocent people. Thats something that you cannot get through your head.
You go in like a bull in a China shop with a claim of authority that no one
gave you and you leave nothing but destruction in its place. Yah, maybe 
someone swiped some money from the INAIC coffers, but your method
for handling this caused sever collateral damage and you refuse to see this.

Instead of contacting the authorities to handle this and having the tact to
see the bigger picture, you go on this crusade and to hell with all of the
innocent parties that you hurt. You refuse to see this and indeed 
continue to brag about it as well.
 
>> In early 2007, Joe decided to attempt to mis-use the TLDA name for his 
>> own twisted purposes.
>> The TLDA had been dormant for several years and I was stuck with 
>> maintianing the infrastructure
>> (paying for the domains, hosting the nearly-empty e-mail lists), etc. 
>> I was the last elected
>> Board Chairperson, and so I moved to protect the TLDA reputation from 
>> Joe's taint.
>>  
>> Anyways, a big fight ensued and I finally gave up anything to to with 
>> the organization last
>> October. I still maintain the domains (TLDA.NET, TLDA.ORG) and will 
>> hand them over
>> to a worthty successor (rule 1: They must denounce Joe Baptista and 
>> ban him forever
>> from the organization or else they don't get the domains).
> Thats never going to happen.  The TLDA is not a dictatorial organization 
> nor are you its dictator.  Thats why you left the TLDA because no one 
> was paying attention any more to your dictatorial directives. 
> 

I left because I saw no possible value coming from further efforts. My six
years there were a futile study in herding cats. In the end, what it boiled
down to was that we have 4 or 5 people and even those people were 
impossible to get together for a simple online meeting.

Fact is, people will only work passionatly for something that they think
will have success. I worked that way for many years, deluding myself
into thinking that we had a chance, finally coming to the realization that
no one really believed that we would have any kind of success.

While I hope the TLDA succeeds in the future, I see the same group
of people taking the same path. That will not produce anything. I hope
I'm proved wrong and that they are very successful, but I'm not holding
my breath.

> Also you are misleading us when you claim that you are maintaining the 
> TLDAs domains.  This is completely untrue.  It is correct to say that 
> you have hijacked the TLDAs domains.  The board has demanded that you 
> hand them over and you have refused to comply.  This again is a matter 
> of public record at the TLDA.
> 
> Do you see why people at the TLDA no longer consider you credible.
> 
> Now what you can expect from the TLDA for hijacking their domains is a 
> demand letter from their lawyer someday ordering you to hand over their 
> property.  Thank you for showing us your true colors John.

They don't have a lawyer. They would need a bank account from which to
pay that lawyer first and then have the money to pay him. 

I was entrusted with the domains and will do the responsible thing and
not hand them over to an organization that does not have the moxie to
succeed. They need to prove that they are producing value before they
transfer will be allowed. As it is now, TLDA.ORG points to their website
and I told Karl that I would point them wherever he wants, but no registration
transfer until they prove themselves.

>>  
>> The TLDA re-organized in January 2007 under Georgia law and just 
>> recently had their
>> first election of officers under the new charter. I am NOT a member 
>> now, and have nothing
>> to do with the TLDA. Its best if I stay away and let others carry the 
>> burden for awhile -
>> I served 6 years, its time for others to step up now.
> This is a lot of misinformation and little white lies.  The TLDA 
> reorganized because I got it back together again to resolve the screw 
> ups committed by your friends at INAIC.  I asked you on a number of 
> occasions in 2006 the you in your capacity as the secretary and chair of 
> the TLDA call a meeting of the membership so we could resolve the mess 
> your pal Herman (the Vermin) Xennt created over in Europe.  I remind you 
> that on every occasion I asked you refused to do your duty and call a 
> TLDA assembly.  

Again, who the hell gave you the right to call them together and dictate their
duty? More nonsense. You have no authority to do any such thing. More
sanctimonious trash!

> It was finally I who contacted all the directors in 2007 
> allowing for the corporations continuance under Georgia law.
> 
> I further remind you that under your administration as chairman of the 
> TLDA that you lost its charter because you failed to file the paperwork 
> necessary to maintain it.  Your six years with the TLDA amount to no 
> work done and alot of incompetence. 
> 
> And when the board of directors asked you to hand over the books and 
> domains of the corporation you held as a former executive you refused.  
> Because of your behavior we at the TLDA will never trust you again.  So 
> when you say you have decided to have nothing to do with the TLDA - I'm 
> not surprised.  I'm sure some in the TLDA are relieved to have nothing 
> to do with you too.  Personally I'm neutral on the subject.  I have no 
> problem with you being a member of the TLDA.  We don't currently have 
> any ethics rules so I'm sure you'll qualify.  But I also have no problem 
> with your self imposed exile from the TLDA.
> 

There are no "books". The TLDA never had any money or bank account.

As for the list of members, this was published on the mailing lists several 
times
with the exclusion of private contact information, the public release of 
which could be and actionable violation of privacy.

This info was turned over to the other member of the Membership committee,
Karl Peters. YOU are mad that I didn't release them to YOU because
you wanted the contact information to harass and brow-beat them into
submitting to your will. I, knowing your MO, was not about to be so
irresponsible as to allow that. You were not entitled to that information.

> But sir please don't aggrandize yourself here, your so called six years 
> of service for the TLDA ended up being nothing more then betrayal and an 
> attempt to hijack an organization to cover up on behalf of your pal 
> Herman Xennt.  I don't see your six years under the circumstances as 
> anything of substance.
> 

Nothing came of it because we have a 3 or 4 person parade with me 
constantly trying to get others to step up. What a pathetic group it
was. I stuck with it far longer than I should have, but I felt that I should
try all that I could to motivate people, but they would not be motivated.

> And in closing you mention that now it's time for others to step up and 
> take over.  Thats already happened John.
>

And I hope they make something of the opportunity.
 
>> Tom, Karl Peters has been a great advocate for the INS and if anyone 
>> can kick-start the TLDA
>> he can. He is not a bad guy like Joe is. I only wish that he would see 
>> Joe for the destructive

>> person he is and denounce him and dissassoiate himself from Joe.
> Thats not going to happen.  Karl Peters has been slowly investigating 
> your pal Herman the Vermin Xennt has been up to in Europe.  

Herman is not my pal.

> Karl has 
> taken seriously my concerns and I am very happy with his progress and 
> the solutions he has facilitated.  In other words Herman the Vermin's 
> victims are working together and coming out winners because of Karl.
> 
> And the criminals you support are coming out the losers.  In the end the 
> winners will be those who did the right thing and said no to the criminals.
> 

I don't support criminals, I support internet users. You talk and slander
and deliver only destruction.

>> Sorry to be so long winded, but the record needs setting straight as 
>> it always does after an
>> unpleaant bout of Baptistherria.
> Lets see who vomits first.  Will it be John Baxter or Thom Palmer.
> 
> cheers :)
> Joe Baptista
> 

When you hear from the proper authorities in Canada, you may not
be smiling for long.