RE: [ga] List Rules - Some Ideas

["Dominik Filipp" <dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx>]

Jeff and all,
 
I understand your point here. Four votes for the motion gained so far
can hardly be considered a GA support. But the motion is based on the
public voice expressing its desire to eliminate AGP as demonstrated in
the last GNSO survey and not on a majority of GA votes; so the power and
the legitimacy of the motion is derived from the results of official
survey. For me the GA, in its current status, is still a mailing list
with all known limitations.
 
However, it is a nice idea to get the GA community more operable.
Regardless of whether the results will be accepted by the staff or not.
Simply to find out whether the GA is a group of people not only bringing
interesting and/or valuable thoughts and ideas, but also a body capable
of acting accordingly.
 
Our last attempt to build this up failed. Maybe we could give it another
chance and start with the domain tasting issue. I think, however, this
motion cannot be enforced by just establishing some organizational rules
but it should be a natural process of gradual acceptation of the
potential power of group of people with the same or similar attitudes
and goals. That is, a process accepted by the GA members themselves. I
have no idea whether such a support exists currently, and I do not
insist on it. I am all for it but cannot speak for anyone else.
 
I, therefore, would continue working on domain tasting here. Everyone
interested in it can join and work together. I have some ideas how to
improve the work; e.g. I would like to use a special notation in subject
clearly distinguishing issue-oriented contributions from other posts;
some examples
 
GA_ISSUE_0001: DOMAIN TASTING | Elimination of AGP - Pros And Cons
Report
GA_ISSUE_0001: DOMAIN TASTING | Voting - Vote on Draft Report Ver. 1.1
GA_ISSUE_0001: DOMAIN TASTING - Final Report Ver. 1.1
 
or more generally
 
GA_ISSUE_<code>: <ISSUE_TITLE> [| <Category> [| <SubCategory>]... [-
<Description>]]
 
where pipe stands for category/subcategory delimiter and square brackets
are optional meta-terms (as usual).
 
Obviously, every opened issue should be 'owned' by a leading moderator
who defines the subject titles.
 
This could help try out the mechanism for the current ongoing issue and
we'll see how this might be working further. The details can be
discussed later or refined during real work on issues. I, personally,
would not like to be elaborating on this too much.
 
Any ideas or objections?
 
Dominik
 


________________________________

From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jeffrey A. Williams
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:11 AM
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ga] List Rules



Mr. Dierker and all,

  My position on the questionably ligitimate "List Rules" is well known
and

remains unchanged for the reasons I have already stated clearly and

emphatically.  BTW, Mr. Dierker I trimmed you redundant CC's in
accordance

with the questionably ligitimate "List Rules".  Please practice what

you preach, if you would be so kind.

 

  It seems very clear that Dominik's motion is resoundingly carried by

the majority of the actively participating GA members.  However as

the GA does not have any formal voting process that it should have

there will always be a question as to weather or not Dominiks motion

is the will of the GA members.  Here inlies, and has always been the

GA's biggest detrament and partly why as Ross indicated, the GA is

unfortunately largely discounted if not ignored.  A sad commentary
indeed.




        -----Original Message----- 
        From: Hugh Dierker 
        Sent: Mar 31, 2008 11:17 AM 
        To: debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Subject: Re: [ga] List Rules 
        
        
        The list has run along very smoothly for several months. The
main reason is voluntary compliance with the rules. Once this concept
breaks down so does the list. We are not talking about individual one
time lapses. For constant repeat violations we must stand strong and
enforce the rules.
         
        We are at a point for the first time in months, that the list is
coalescing into the form of producing a statement/motion. The AGP issue
seems to have come to a head and more formal resolution procedures may
be appropriate. I believe it is at a motion stage with 4 seconds. If the
desire is to move forward in a constructive effective matter, we should
hear that from the members.
         
        Eric
        
        Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

                
                Please note that the list rules state no more than 5
postings within 24
                hours.
                
                A couple of people on this list seem to be going over
the limit on a regular
                basis.
                
                This is a final friendly warning. Anyone going over the
quota in future
                will be suspended from the list for a minimum of 4 weeks
according to our
                list rules.
                
                There are a number of contentious issues currently being
discussed at the
                moment and, as has already been voiced, I would like to
see input from a
                variety of members rather than just the same few.
                
                Best regards
                
                
                Debbie Garside
                List Monitor
                
                http://www.geolang.com
                
                
                
                
                
                


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