RE: GA "Election" was fake, ignore the "results" ( was Re: [ga] Elections Results - vote count)

["Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dear George

As Editor of the GA List Rules, I have read through your post, at least the
aspects pertaining to the election process, and found that all of your
claims are unfounded.

I have reviewed the GA List Archives and found that the outgoing Chair has
behaved admirably, openly and according to the GA List Rules dated 10th
September 2007 and is re-elected according to these rules.

As I am not infallible and as you are now aware of these updated rules, feel
free to correct me.

Regards

Debbie
(Not as List Monitor)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Kirikos
> Sent: 03 October 2007 20:48
> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: avri@xxxxxxx; vint@xxxxxxxxxx; twomey@xxxxxxxxx;
> roberto@xxxxxxxxx; jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: GA "Election" was fake, ignore the "results" ( was
> Re: [ga] Elections Results - vote count)
>
>
> Hello,
>
> The "election" was obviously an exercise in mental
> masturbation, and not legitimate. By their own "rules" at:
>
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg03844.html
> http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules5.htm
>
> (where the list rules are hosted at a non-ICANN and thus
> non-permanent/trusted URL, i.e. it can be changed at will by
> the host; a copy is archived at
> http://www.loffs.com/images/garules5draft.pdf )
>
> 1. "The election period shall be at least 14 days"
>
> -- bzzt, "election" was only 2 days!
>
> 2. "The election process starts when the GA Secretariat
> announces that nominations are open."
>
> -- deliciously, the GA *has no secretariat* !! :) Try to
> overcome that one, kooks.
>
> 3. "The exact time is decided by the outgoing Chair and the
> Chair of the GNSO."
>
> -- bzzzt, the GA had no legitimate outgoing Chair, and
> furthermore it is unverified that the Chair of the GNSO had
> any input into the exact time decision
>
> 4. "Nominees for the Chair are sent to an email address
> provided by the Secretariat."
>
> -- see above, there is no Secretariat authorized by the GNSO
> Council for the GA mailing list
>
> 5. "The watchdogs agree with the Chair and the GNSO Chair the
> voting mechanism to be employed and receive full details of
> the voting mechanism and oversee all votes"
>
> -- there is no evidence the GNSO Chair, Avri Doria, was
> involved whatsoever in the voting mechanism details
>
> 6. "Voting is secret; only the secretariat and the committee
> will be allowed to see the votes."
>
> -- obviously, the voting was not secret, and there is no
> secretariat either, as mentioned above
>
> 7. "Subscribers must have been members with at least 5
> postings to the list, at least 90 days prior to the call for
> an election."
>
> -- David Scott -- never posted on the GA mailing list before.
> Why did he join? Perhaps this post by Joe Baptista on the
> TLDA mailing list might explain things:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/browse_thread/thre
> ad/6566d4ff4d26cc20/55a62f00683c7c86?hl=en#55a62f00683c7c86
>
> "We need the votes to put Hugh Dierker over the top."
>
> (archived at:
> http://www.loffs.com/images/baptista-tlda-votes.pdf in case
> Baptista makes access to that group private)
>
> One might also note that at:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/browse_thread/thre
> ad/fc6b0e9707744fd7/0609760aace206b7?hl=en#0609760aace206b7
>
> Baptista writes:
>
> "I am pleased to announce that Dr. Eric Hugh Dierker has been
> added to our group. Dr. Dierker is a lawyer who has offered
> to help us in getting the inclusive name space off the ground.
> ....
> Dr. Dierker is International Counsel to Memolin SA de CV,
> Mexico, Hi-Tek.com.vn Vietnam. DOTVN. Maquiledoras
> representative in Tijuana, ... "
>
> (archived at:
> http://www.loffs.com/images/baptista-dierker-lawyer.pdf )
>
> Hardly an independent choice as "monitor" of a list or an "election."
>
> He describes "Dr. Dierker" as a lawyer.....when it's clear
> from the California Bar Association's website that he is not
> a bar member.
>
> http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873
>
> "This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."
>
> And as Karl Auerbach pointed out:
>
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00203.html
> http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=bpc&grou
> p=06001-07000&file=6125-6140.05
>
> "6125.  No person shall practice law in California unless the
> person is an active member of the State Bar."
>
> An examination of Dierker's post to the TLDA group at:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/tlda-members/msg/0a044154badf4b
> 61?dmode=source
>
> (archived at: http://www.loffs.com/images/dierker-lawyer-ipaddress.pdf
> )
>
> shows an IP address of 71.136.67.252
>
> http://whois.domaintools.com/71.136.67.252
>
> which is San Diego, California. Furthermore, at:
>
> http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-whois-wg/msg00015.html
>
> "1. Current occupation,
>  Dierker Consultancy. Consultant for Internet marketing firms
> operating in Vietnam, Mexico, Canada and the USA 2. Work
> performed in 1 above,  Legal and marketing consulting
> services regarding registration and maintenance of data bases."
>
> Obviously, legal services are inconsistent with the known
> facts from the California State Bar:
>
> http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873
>
> "This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."
>
> And in case more information is needed on Baptista, besides
> what I've already posted at:
>
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00152.html
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg00138.html
>
> consider:
>
> http://groups.google.ca/group/bit.listserv.lawsch-l/browse_thr
> ead/thread/113a3fd7330c2e13/c53b5b6b9d289288?hl=en&lnk=st&q=&r
> num=1#c53b5b6b9d289288
>
> "He wanted to know how I was driving the police and the system crazy."
>
> "I was offered access to resources to further my research
> into electronic warfare and also provided with a budget to
> influence the civil service."
>
> "I provided the corporation with advice on laundering funds
> and depleting general revenues in order to avoid payment of
> sales tax and GST."
>
> "Other contributions involved a info-war attack against the
> Ontario Film Review Board.  This included setting up paid
> moles within the ministry."
>
> In conclusion, the GA list has demonstrated conclusively it
> cannot self-govern. Avri's experiment to give the GA list
> some legitimacy should be aborted immediately. At a minimum,
> the list needs to be renamed, to proper reflect its lack of
> recognition within ICANN, and to stop confusion to others not
> aware of this (for example, the PC World reporter who fell
> for these antics).
>
> If Avri, who made it a personal priority to hand over the
> keys of the asylum to the inmates, does feel this "election"
> was legitimate, I'd like her to post affirmatively to that
> effect, and reconcile ALL of the above, and stop suggesting
> that GNSO Council endorsed this circus. If Avri considers 4
> or 5 "votes" to even constitute a quorum, on a list of
> 200+ subscribers, I'd like to see the logic. The lack of voting
> indicates that they do not want to participate in this circus
> of an "election."
>
> And if one considers that:
>
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg07777.html
>
> "I would lke to see the GA appoint an executive and get
> itself a bank account.
>
> "get itself a bank account" !! ICANN Board members should
> seriously consider the ramifications of that, given the above.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> George Kirikos
> http://www.kirikos.com/
>
> --- Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I beleive the vote is not closed.  Below are the vote counts.
> >
> > Debbie Garside          Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> > George Kirikos          Spoiled Ballot
> > Sotiris Sotiropoulos    Spoiled Ballot
> > Dominik Filipp           Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> > Eric Hugh Dierker      Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> > Joe Baptista               Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> > David Scott                Vote for Eric Hugh Dierker
> >
> > Total votes for Eric Hugh Dierker         5
> > Total spoiled ballots                             2
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > Total Votes in this Election                   7
> >
> > If my co-monitor concurs with me then Eric Hugh Dierker is elected.
> > If
> > any mistakes have been made - please advise.
> >
> > regards
> > joe baptista
> >
> > --
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