Re: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

Sounds great Bill, thanks.

Stéphane



Le 16 juil. 2011 à 08:49, William Drake a écrit :

> Hi Stéphane
> 
> Nothing is being asked of the Council and it's not obvious we need a 
> discussion here of NCSG's internal challenges. We've got some time here 
> before Dakar so how about NC works on it's charter approval process and 
> elections and we get back to you later if it appears there will be a timing 
> issue of relevance to the Council?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 20:08, Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Mary.
>> 
>> I understand and appreciate the NCSG's issues. However, considering these 
>> special circumstances, could the NCSG not extend their current councillors 
>> until they are in a position to elect new ones?
>> 
>> And if not, what do you suggest be done? That the Council extend its 
>> officers instead? If so, for how long?
>> 
>> I'm just trying to get a clear picture of what's being asked of us, 
>> especially in the light of other Councillors' comments that we should go 
>> with option 1 and not delay the elections.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Stéphane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Le 15 juil. 2011 à 01:11, <Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx> <Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx> a 
>> écrit :
>> 
>>> Hello - I can try to explain some of the issues. NCSG intends fully to 
>>> comply with and meet all the mandated deadlines; however, the Council 
>>> should know that we are probably laboring under greater pressure than most 
>>> of the other groups. This is because the new NCSG Charter was just approved 
>>> by the Board in Singapore, and we've also had a large number of new members 
>>> (both directly into the SG and through the newly-approved Not for Profit 
>>> Operational Concerns (NPOC) Constituency). We will also have to elect (or 
>>> re-elect, as may happen) 4 Councilors, including transitioning from having 
>>> 3 Board appointed Councilors to all Councilors being elected by the SG 
>>> (i.e. under the approved Charter, elections for Council seats are SG-wide, 
>>> not via Constituencies), which can happen only procedurally after the new 
>>> Charter is formally approved and accepted by the SG membership.
>>> 
>>> Mind you, I'm not making an early excuse for delay - like I said, we 
>>> (especially our SG Chair and Executive Committee) are working hard to make 
>>> sure not only that all relevant time lines are met, but that the elections 
>>> are sufficiently well-publicized so that we will have good candidates 
>>> coming forward (from various geographical regions, as mandated by our 
>>> Charter) and that all SG members (especially the newer ones) know about the 
>>> elections and can participate fully.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully this explains some of the concerns that have been raised and 
>>> gives the Council a sense of what we are having to do within NCSG.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Mary  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> From:
>>> Adrian Kinderis <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To:
>>> Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>, "Neuman, Jeff" 
>>> <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>                  
>>> CC:
>>> Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Council GNSO <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date:
>>> 7/14/2011 5:59 PM
>>> Subject:
>>> RE: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines
>>> 
>>> I agree with Jeff and SVG.
>>> 
>>> How typical of our GNSO/ ICANN psyche that we instantly look to move a 
>>> deadline rather than address the issue of tardiness...
>>> 
>>> Adrian Kinderis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>>> Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
>>> Sent: Friday, 15 July 2011 7:42 AM
>>> To: Neuman, Jeff
>>> Cc: Wendy Seltzer; Council GNSO
>>> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agree with Jeff that extending is not an option. If SGs find they cannot 
>>> elect their new reps in time for Dakar, then they should look to extend the 
>>> terms of their own Councillors so as not to impact the bylaw-mandated 
>>> leadership election timeline.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Stéphane
>>> 
>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone4
>>> 
>>> Le 14 juil. 2011 à 21:09, "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>> 
>>> > The election timelines are set forth in the Bylaws.  Given that we still 
>>> > have 3 months until the annual meeting, shouldn't that be enough time to 
>>> > get everything done?
>>> >
>>> > Jeffrey J. Neuman
>>> > Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
>>> > Please note new address:  21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling VA 20166    
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>>> > On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer
>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:05 PM
>>> > To: Stéphane Van Gelder
>>> > Cc: Council GNSO
>>> > Subject: Re: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > NCSG is also working on its Council elections.
>>> >
>>> > A third option would be to postpone our Council elections (and briefly
>>> > extend the terms of current officers) if some SGs need a slightly longer
>>> > window to complete their Councillor elections first.
>>> >
>>> > --Wendy
>>> >
>>> > On 07/14/2011 07:52 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
>>> >> Thanks Wendy for your comments.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes that is correct, we designed option 1 to address the points made at 
>>> >> the previous election and allow for the new Council to elect its Chair.
>>> >>
>>> >> However, I think it's worth stressing that for this option to be viable, 
>>> >> we need to be sure that all SGs that are due to replace Councillors will 
>>> >> have done so in plenty of time for this vote to take place.
>>> >>
>>> >> So my message was also a request to you, as representatives of your 
>>> >> groups, to let the Council leadership and secretariat know if your own 
>>> >> individual elections would be done in time?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >>
>>> >> Stéphane
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Le 13 juil. 2011 à 18:34, Wendy Seltzer a écrit :
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks for getting the conversation started Stéphane,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Does the second, electronic, option assume that the voters would be the
>>> >>> old Councillors, since the new ones will not be seated until the end of
>>> >>> the AGM?  If so, I would strongly support option 1, to give the
>>> >>> Councillors who will be serving under the chair an opportunity to vote
>>> >>> in the Chair's election.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --Wendy
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 07/13/2011 12:17 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
>>> >>>> Councillors,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> As a follow-up to this, please see attached a slightly modified note. 
>>> >>>> The change is just to clarify one of the election procedure scenarios.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Stéphane
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Le 11 juil. 2011 à 17:18, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Councillors,
>>> >>>>> A t
>>> >>>>> As the Dakar meeting looms, one of the items we must cover is the 
>>> >>>>> elections of the next Council Chair (the VCs are house-specific and 
>>> >>>>> therefore do not need to be determined here).
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> You will remember that last year's elections gave rise to some 
>>> >>>>> debate, and that the Council felt it would be useful to plan ahead a 
>>> >>>>> little more for this year.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> To start this process along, I have been working with Glen to produce 
>>> >>>>> two possible scenarios for running the elections. These are attached. 
>>> >>>>> My thanks to Glen for her hard work on this.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> As you will see from the attached, the options we have looked at are 
>>> >>>>> to try and address the wish that was expressed by some last year that 
>>> >>>>> it be the new Council that elect the Chair. There are some scheduling 
>>> >>>>> issues to address, and if the Council decides to elect its new Chair 
>>> >>>>> in Dakar, then we will have to work closely with those SGs electing 
>>> >>>>> new Councillors to ensure that those elections are done in plenty of 
>>> >>>>> time to allow for the Chair election to happen.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> We also ask the question, if we have an election in Dakar (rather 
>>> >>>>> than the 2nd option of an electronic ballot beforehand) of whether 
>>> >>>>> the vote should be by open or secret ballot.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Please let us have your comments on these proposals.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Stéphane
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> <GNSO Council Election Procedures for the GNSO Council Chair to be 
>>> >>>>> seated in Dakar in October 2011.doc>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
>>