Re: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Mary for that clarification.

How long would that "temporary" be do you think?

Stéphane



Le 15 juil. 2011 à 22:21, <Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx> <Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx> a 
écrit :

> Hi Stephane and everyone - sorry if I wasn't clear before; the NCSG fully 
> intends to comply with all the time lines and dates, so we are not suggesting 
> a postponement.
>  
> Some of us were merely thinking ahead, of "what ifs"; I haven't consulted the 
> NCSG officers and Councilors on this, but - in answer to your question, and 
> assuming there comes a "what if" scenario - my guess is that extending the 
> current Council leadership term temporarily would seem to most to be the 
> preferable alternative.
>  
> Cheers
> Mary
> 
>  
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> From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> To:   "<Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>" <Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> CC:   "Council GNSO" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 7/15/2011 2:09 PM
> Subject:      Re: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines
> Thanks Mary.
> 
> I understand and appreciate the NCSG's issues. However, considering these 
> special circumstances, could the NCSG not extend their current councillors 
> until they are in a position to elect new ones?
> 
> And if not, what do you suggest be done? That the Council extend its officers 
> instead? If so, for how long?
> 
> I'm just trying to get a clear picture of what's being asked of us, 
> especially in the light of other Councillors' comments that we should go with 
> option 1 and not delay the elections.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> 
> 
> Le 15 juil. 2011 à 01:11, <Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx> <Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx> a 
> écrit :
> 
>> Hello - I can try to explain some of the issues. NCSG intends fully to 
>> comply with and meet all the mandated deadlines; however, the Council should 
>> know that we are probably laboring under greater pressure than most of the 
>> other groups. This is because the new NCSG Charter was just approved by the 
>> Board in Singapore, and we've also had a large number of new members (both 
>> directly into the SG and through the newly-approved Not for Profit 
>> Operational Concerns (NPOC) Constituency). We will also have to elect (or 
>> re-elect, as may happen) 4 Councilors, including transitioning from having 3 
>> Board appointed Councilors to all Councilors being elected by the SG (i.e. 
>> under the approved Charter, elections for Council seats are SG-wide, not via 
>> Constituencies), which can happen only procedurally after the new Charter is 
>> formally approved and accepted by the SG membership.
>> 
>> Mind you, I'm not making an early excuse for delay - like I said, we 
>> (especially our SG Chair and Executive Committee) are working hard to make 
>> sure not only that all relevant time lines are met, but that the elections 
>> are sufficiently well-publicized so that we will have good candidates coming 
>> forward (from various geographical regions, as mandated by our Charter) and 
>> that all SG members (especially the newer ones) know about the elections and 
>> can participate fully.
>> 
>> Hopefully this explains some of the concerns that have been raised and gives 
>> the Council a sense of what we are having to do within NCSG.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Mary  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mary W S Wong 
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>> Chair, Graduate IP Programs 
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>> >>>
>> From:
>> Adrian Kinderis <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To:
>> Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>, "Neuman, Jeff" 
>> <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx> 
>> CC:
>> Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Council GNSO <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date:
>> 7/14/2011 5:59 PM
>> Subject:
>> RE: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines
>> 
>> I agree with Jeff and SVG.
>> 
>> How typical of our GNSO/ ICANN psyche that we instantly look to move a 
>> deadline rather than address the issue of tardiness...
>> 
>> Adrian Kinderis
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>> Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
>> Sent: Friday, 15 July 2011 7:42 AM
>> To: Neuman, Jeff
>> Cc: Wendy Seltzer; Council GNSO
>> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines
>> 
>> 
>> Agree with Jeff that extending is not an option. If SGs find they cannot 
>> elect their new reps in time for Dakar, then they should look to extend the 
>> terms of their own Councillors so as not to impact the bylaw-mandated 
>> leadership election timeline.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Stéphane
>> 
>> Envoyé de mon iPhone4
>> 
>> Le 14 juil. 2011 à 21:09, "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>> 
>> > The election timelines are set forth in the Bylaws.  Given that we still 
>> > have 3 months until the annual meeting, shouldn't that be enough time to 
>> > get everything done?
>> >
>> > Jeffrey J. Neuman
>> > Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
>> > Please note new address:  21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling VA 20166    
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>> > On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer
>> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:05 PM
>> > To: Stéphane Van Gelder
>> > Cc: Council GNSO
>> > Subject: Re: [council] Re: Suggested election time lines
>> >
>> >
>> > NCSG is also working on its Council elections.
>> >
>> > A third option would be to postpone our Council elections (and briefly
>> > extend the terms of current officers) if some SGs need a slightly longer
>> > window to complete their Councillor elections first.
>> >
>> > --Wendy
>> >
>> > On 07/14/2011 07:52 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
>> >> Thanks Wendy for your comments.
>> >>
>> >> Yes that is correct, we designed option 1 to address the points made at 
>> >> the previous election and allow for the new Council to elect its Chair.
>> >>
>> >> However, I think it's worth stressing that for this option to be viable, 
>> >> we need to be sure that all SGs that are due to replace Councillors will 
>> >> have done so in plenty of time for this vote to take place.
>> >>
>> >> So my message was also a request to you, as representatives of your 
>> >> groups, to let the Council leadership and secretariat know if your own 
>> >> individual elections would be done in time?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Stéphane
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Le 13 juil. 2011 à 18:34, Wendy Seltzer a écrit :
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for getting the conversation started Stéphane,
>> >>>
>> >>> Does the second, electronic, option assume that the voters would be the
>> >>> old Councillors, since the new ones will not be seated until the end of
>> >>> the AGM?  If so, I would strongly support option 1, to give the
>> >>> Councillors who will be serving under the chair an opportunity to vote
>> >>> in the Chair's election.
>> >>>
>> >>> --Wendy
>> >>>
>> >>> On 07/13/2011 12:17 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
>> >>>> Councillors,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As a follow-up to this, please see attached a slightly modified note. 
>> >>>> The change is just to clarify one of the election procedure scenarios.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Stéphane
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Le 11 juil. 2011 à 17:18, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Councillors,
>> >>>>> A t
>> >>>>> As the Dakar meeting looms, one of the items we must cover is the 
>> >>>>> elections of the next Council Chair (the VCs are house-specific and 
>> >>>>> therefore do not need to be determined here).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You will remember that last year's elections gave rise to some debate, 
>> >>>>> and that the Council felt it would be useful to plan ahead a little 
>> >>>>> more for this year.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To start this process along, I have been working with Glen to produce 
>> >>>>> two possible scenarios for running the elections. These are attached. 
>> >>>>> My thanks to Glen for her hard work on this.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As you will see from the attached, the options we have looked at are 
>> >>>>> to try and address the wish that was expressed by some last year that 
>> >>>>> it be the new Council that elect the Chair. There are some scheduling 
>> >>>>> issues to address, and if the Council decides to elect its new Chair 
>> >>>>> in Dakar, then we will have to work closely with those SGs electing 
>> >>>>> new Councillors to ensure that those elections are done in plenty of 
>> >>>>> time to allow for the Chair election to happen.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> We also ask the question, if we have an election in Dakar (rather than 
>> >>>>> the 2nd option of an electronic ballot beforehand) of whether the vote 
>> >>>>> should be by open or secret ballot.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Please let us have your comments on these proposals.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Stéphane
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> <GNSO Council Election Procedures for the GNSO Council Chair to be 
>> >>>>> seated in Dakar in October 2011.doc>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> 
>> 
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