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RE: [ga] Voting on List Rules - Vote with proposed changes

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  • Subject: RE: [ga] Voting on List Rules - Vote with proposed changes
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  • Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:42:33 -0400 (EDT)
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<P>Mr. dierker and all,</P>
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<P>&nbsp; The complaints have already been filed accordingly as required.&nbsp; When</P>
<P>service will commence or be effected I cannot say.<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Hugh Dierker <HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Aug 14, 2007 8:48 AM <BR>To: debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Domains@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: RE: [ga] Voting on List Rules - Vote with proposed changes <BR><BR>
<DIV>We simply cannot change in mid vote. Everyone who has already voted would have to vote again, and then again and again.</DIV>
<DIV>This is why I made my comments on amendments. Clearly the rules must remain a living document. </DIV>
<DIV>I will venture to say that the rules as they stand do not preclude the GA as a body discussing lawsuit on their behalf. This language clearly is meant as member to member.</DIV>
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<DIV>Eric</DIV>
<DIV>As Chair<BR><BR><B><I>Debbie Garside &lt;debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Ted</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If we rephrased it to say:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>---</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>not indulging in personal threats of legal action on list.&nbsp; This does not preclude members from discussing legal action in relation to the business of the&nbsp;GA as a whole.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>---</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Would that suffice?&nbsp; Does anyone else have any comments to make on this?&nbsp; If it is OK with the Chair and&nbsp;list members&nbsp;I will make all the necessary changes after the vote.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Best</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875502109-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Debbie</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Prophet Partners Inc.<BR><B>Sent:</B> 14 August 2007 09:27<BR><B>To:</B> ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] Voting on List Rules - Vote with proposed changes<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hi Debbie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The&nbsp;key phrase "of any kind"&nbsp;from&nbsp;"not indulging in threats of legal action of any kind on list" does not&nbsp;permit any type of differentiation. A clarification in the draft distinguishing non-ICANN related personal legal threats against other individuals vs.&nbsp;ICANN related legal threats&nbsp;against ICANN, ICANN Directors/employees or entities under contract&nbsp;with ICANN would be acceptable.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I am not a lawyer and these are only my personal opinions. If you require legal advice, you should seek qualified legal counsel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ted</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Prophet Partners Inc.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Debbie Garside</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Domains@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:Domains@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Domains@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:55 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [ga] Voting on List Rules - Vote with proposed changes</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=630005107-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ted wrote:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=630005107-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Yes, I vote in favor of adopting GA List Rules draft 0.5,&nbsp;** conditional ** upon&nbsp;implementation of the following 2 changes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>#1 - All references to email addresses containing @dnso.org and @gnso.org&nbsp;are&nbsp;replaced with @gnso.icann.org in the List Rules draft.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=630005107-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>I agree and assuming nobody disagrees I will update the docment once votig is over.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>#2 - The clause containing "not indulging in threats of legal action of any kind on list" is struck from the List Rules draft. While I agree that personal threats of legal action may be counterproductive to the GA, I strongly believe that other situations directly&nbsp;related to&nbsp;GA business may&nbsp;require invoking legal action. Given the&nbsp;inability of the GA to influence ICANN policy, it may be necessary to initiate legal proceedings against ICANN,&nbsp;ICANN's Board of Directors, Registries, Registrars and/or other entities.&nbsp;Disempowering the GA's ability to initiate legal proceedings only&nbsp;increases&nbsp;ICANN's ability to ignore&nbsp;its own bylaws.</FONT></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=630005107-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=630005107-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I would like to keep this in.&nbsp; It is aimed at individual members threatening legal action on list.&nbsp; It does not mean that we as a group cannot discuss bringing legal action so long as we do not make empty threats on list as individuals.&nbsp;&nbsp;A member may ask the list whether they (the GA)&nbsp;would support legal action against another party.&nbsp; Is that ok?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=630005107-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=630005107-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Best</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=630005107-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=630005107-14082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Debbie</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Prophet Partners Inc.<BR><B>Sent:</B> 14 August 2007 07:02<BR><B>To:</B> ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] Voting on List Rules - Vote with proposed changes<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Yes, I vote in favor of adopting GA List Rules draft 0.5,&nbsp;** conditional ** upon&nbsp;implementation of the following 2 changes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>#1 - All references to email addresses containing @dnso.org and @gnso.org&nbsp;are&nbsp;replaced with @gnso.icann.org in the List Rules draft.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>#2 - The clause containing "not indulging in threats of legal action of any kind on list" is struck from the List Rules draft. While I agree that personal threats of legal action may be counterproductive to the GA, I strongly believe that other situations directly&nbsp;related to&nbsp;GA business may&nbsp;require invoking legal action. Given the&nbsp;inability of the GA to influence ICANN policy, it may be necessary to initiate legal proceedings against ICANN,&nbsp;ICANN's Board of Directors, Registries, Registrars and/or other entities.&nbsp;Disempowering the GA's ability to initiate legal proceedings only&nbsp;increases&nbsp;ICANN's ability to ignore&nbsp;its own bylaws.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I am not a lawyer and these are only my personal opinions. If you require legal advice, you should seek qualified legal counsel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ted</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Prophet Partners Inc.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx href="mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx";>Hugh Dierker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>GA</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 13, 2007 10:02 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [ga] Voting on List Rules</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Here is your ballot.</DIV>
<DIV>Simply hit 'return all' on this email and write: "Yes", to adopt the list rules and, "No", to not adopt the list rules.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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