Re: [ga] Censorship

["Joshua Brady" <somitho@xxxxxxxxx>]

Just for the record, that was Patrick Henry, not John Paul Jones.

-J


On 8/5/07, jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Dr. Dierker and all,
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>    My responses are interspersed below this time...
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>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Hugh Dierker
> Sent: Aug 5, 2007 2:23 PM
> To: GA
> Subject: [ga] Censorship
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> When one party is apprehensive to speak their mind as a result of a conduct
> of abusive writing by another, it is censorship. When it occurs the whole
> community loses.
>
>  Yes its a form of self censorship.  That form is a choice, and nothing
> more.
>  If the whole community suffers due to the lack of courage and subsequent
>  self censorship, it is indeed a shame.  Lack of courage usually is a
> shameful
>  thing as the community as a whole is effected or diminished by it.
>
>  Two things must then happen, the conduct must be stopped, and the forum
> must be made safe again.
>
>  As far as I know and can determine this forum is only under preasure due to
>  errant rule suggestion.  So yes this conduct would be best stopped, and
>  I have spoken out to suggest that mass censorship by way of some arcain
>  rule, that that rule be struck.  Such will prevent censorship and encourage
>  courage and conviction to flow more readily or even freely.
>
>  I am not talking of the mere braggadocios on the one hand and the extremely
> timid on the other. I am not talking of responses and I am not talking of
> those folks that are clearly public figures. I am speaking of the clear
> course of conduct of attacking others with the clear result being restraint
> of speech. There are also sicknesses that cause this to occur so we must be
> careful to look at the writing which becomes conduct which results in prior
> restraint.
>
>  Agreed we must all be self aware.  Being aware of prior restraint towards
> freedom
>  of expression is improper and abhorrent in its intent and results.  Indeed
> we must
>  guard freedom or expression in word, written or spoken lest we deny
> opportunity
>  to all and freedom and liberty to none.
>
>  Of course we must always be sympathetic to those who cannot control their
> writing and we must be careful to only wield sanctions in repetitive cases.
>
>  Control is a personal and individual choice in matters of written or spoken
> word.
>  If it is abridged in any way, all of us are diminished and harmed
> accordingly.
>
>  In case any are confused, my recent musing is not for any list changes per
> se. Merely meant as provocative, partially hoping to catch my Holiday
> brethren in a moment of respite.
>
>  Respite is for the wicked and conniving.  Diligance in the name of freedom
>  and liberty one must ever be on their guard and vigilant.  As John Paul
> Jones
>  refrained: "Give me liberty, or give me death".  Liberty won that day, and
>  has won in many days hence when men and women faced with the dangers
>  of losing it rose to vanquish those whom would seek to enslave them
>  in rechid prior restraints of censorship.
>
>  Eric
>
> Regards,
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