Re: OT RE: [ga] Haiti, the Internet and ICANN

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Debbie and all,

Response interspersed below...

Debbie Garside wrote:

>    Jeff
>
> My emails were not rants.  Just statements of fact.

Fact?  If you say so.  >;) Nuanced retractions were not missed
I don't believe.

>
>
> BTW,  I was really sad to see Tony Blair go; he is an honest man with
> a
> conscience and I know that these past few years decisions have weighed
>
> heavily.

He was a very fine PM, on the level of Winston Churchill but with a
different style.  Certainly better than Margaret T., and more courageous

IMHO.  Yet he had as PM a very purswaisive manner which was
abrupt when necessary, and tricky only when necessary.  I know
England will miss him especially the queen.

>
>
> Best regards
>
> Debbie
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of
> jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 02 July 2007 02:16
> To: Debbie Garside; 'Bashar Al-Abdulhadi'; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ga] Haiti, the Internet and ICANN
>
>
>
> Debbie and all,
>
>
>
>   I am glad you decided, althought belatedly to rethink your earlier
> rantings
>
> in respect to America and my fellow Americans as well as Canadians.
> Much
>
> appriciated.  None the less you said what you said for all to read, we
>
> drew the conclusions by what you stated and how you stated same.
>
>
>
>   I fully recognize that your outgoing PM, Tony Blair was very
> umpopular
>
> with a large segment of the Brittish people, yet he was a coragious
> and
>
> effective freedom loving leader.  Your new PM, Mr. Brown has some
>
> very big shoes to fill.  I was saddened that he has announced he
>
>  is replacing all current cabinet members whom are over 50 years of
> age,
>
> with new appointees.  However I am fairly sure this will be warm
>
> the cocakals of Veni's hart.  However, I find myself, that this method
> of
> effecting
>
> his perogative rather troubling which I believe US leaders now, and in
> the
>
> near future will find concerning as well.  Let's hope this is not a
> prelude
> of the
>
> UK and the US's new relationship.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Debbie Garside
> Sent: Jul 1, 2007 6:14 PM
> To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, 'Bashar Al-Abdulhadi' , ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ga] Haiti, the Internet and ICANN
>
>
> OK.  I'm going to say this one more time.  I gave no opinion on
> America or
> Americans and the conclusions you have drawn are quite wrong .  I gave
>
> examples of situations around the world that could be considered human
>
> rights issues, including one from the UK, to support my view that to
> bring
> this sort of thing into the ICANN forum is quite wrong.  Where would
> it
> stop! I think Eric's email summed it up rather well.  May I,
> respectfully,
> suggest you re-read my emails in this context.
>
> Best regards
>
> Debbie
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of
> jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 01 July 2007 21:04
> To: Bashar Al-Abdulhadi; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ga] Haiti, the Internet and ICANN
>
>
>
> Bashar and all,
>
>
>
>   I have to go with Sotiris on this one.  Functioning for a
> ccTLD=having a
>
> functioning noc or nic and a website.  IQ does not have one.  Maybe
> Haiti
>
> will, maybe not.  Point being wheather Haiti does or does not is
> largely
>
> irrelevant.  What is relevant is supporting a regime whom has for
> decades
>
> now supported vast fraudulent enterprises, consideres tourture of it's
>
> countrymen
>
> and women, is a world renouned and UN recognized lawless regime, is
> simply
>
> not reasonable.  Ergo ICANN's decision to "Grant", for lack of a
> better
> term,
>
> Haiti a ccTLD is unconsionable.
>
>
>
>   As an aside and strictly coinsidental, I recieved a call from my CEO
>
> informing
>
> me that we will not be carring any of Haiti's traffic over any of our
> networks.
>
> I support my CEO's position on this.  So this means I will need to be
> getting
>
> my staff geared up for blocking any an all AFNIC IP addresses which
> are
>
> routed from or to Haiti, and block and domain traffic as well.  I am
> sure in
>
> due time spamhous and other services of that sort will be forced into
> doing
>
> similar or same.
>
>
>
> And Sotiris, thank  you for your earlier support of America and
> Americans,
>
> I and very sure most americans like myself feel the same about our
> fine
>
> neibors to the north in Canada.  I am saddened and concerned that our
>
> new participant, Debbie has such a negtive and uninformed view
>
> of our american government, Americans, and seemingly our friends
>
> the Canadian people.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bashar Al-Abdulhadi
> Sent: Jul 1, 2007 9:52 AM
> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ga] Haiti, the Internet and ICANN
>
>
>
> sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote, On 7/1/2007 12:04 PM:
>
>
>  >href="http://www.iana.org/root-whois/iq.htm";
> <http://www.iana.org/root-whois/iq.htm>
> >http://www.iana.org/root-whois/iq.htm</a><br>
>
>
>
> they don't have a website up yet seems to be.<br>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, if the NIC doesn't have a web site, I would hardly call the .IQ
>
> ccTLD functional.
>
>
>
> Sotiris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
>
> "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
>    Abraham Lincoln
>
> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> very
> often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>
> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> liability
> depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
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> Regards,
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
>
> "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
>    Abraham Lincoln
>
> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> very
> often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>
> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> liability
> depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> ===============================================================
> Updated 1/26/04
> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
> div. of
> Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
> ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
> jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Registered Email addr with the USPS Contact Number: 214-244-4827

> Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827