Re: OT RE: [ga] Haiti, the Internet and ICANN

[jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Debbie and all,

  Unfortunately you have not earned that cigar yet.  You
may be wondering why.  If so, read on, the rest of my remarks
in response are interspersed.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jun 30, 2007 6:24 PM
>To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: OT RE: [ga] Haiti, the Internet and ICANN
>
>As a member of the WikiMedia Advisory Board, I read about credibility issues
>every week - doesn't stop Wikipedia being one the top 10 most visited web
>sites so some of it must be right!  However, credibility issues aside, I
>think the essence of what I was saying has been conveyed.

Your "essance" doesn't seem to be well received.  Number of hit's
on a web site has little to do with accuracy see: www.onlinebootycall.com
as an extream example. 
>
>I am sure there cannot be a single person in this world that can argue
>against the fact that the US are detaining people without trial!  Not even
>the US Government.  But this is getting way off topic.  It was just an
>example and I make no statement on my position with regard to this issue.

If detaining prisoners of war or a military conflict is off topic
as you say, and I agree, why mention it or offer it as a valid
or logical response?  However the US supreme court will be hearing
that case in their next session.  

  My response to this off topic issue is we should have never taken 
them prisoner in the first place. And I speak from experiance
in this issue, which I will not delve into at this time.

Yet as in comparison to ICANN's decision to give Haiti it's
own ccTLD, I don't recognize a reasonable comparison as
ICANN is not on the level of the supreme court.  Or do you
believe it is or should be considered to be?  If you do,
you certainly have been drinking too much of the ICANN coolaid. >:)
My concern with ICANN's decision on this is not so much that
Haiti is geting a ccTLD, but that their government is not going 
to manage it themselves.  As such that ccTLD than can easily 
become the play thing of whomever is managing it much like other
ccTLD's have been use for in the past.  This is not a wise
decision on that basis alone given the history.

However as the US supreme court is currently stacked with strict constructionist, a very strong argument against these terrorists 
solders will need to be made.  As I understand it one of the arguing ATTY's is none other than the great Gerry Spence.  He hasn't lost a 
case in 48 years.  This may be his finest hour as a defense Atty. I believe
Allen Dershiwitz, also an atty. of some significant note, is assisting in preparing the briefs. Nine justices will be sitting for this case
sometime in October or November.  Given the constructionist dominance
of the court, I believe the decision will be 5-4 in favor of the
legality of the detention.  The sway justices will be Stevens
and Kennedy.  Of course, Gerry and Allen already know all this.


>I'll take that cigar now and I make that advantage Garside :-)
>
>Gnight
>
>Debbie 
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: 01 July 2007 00:01
>> To: Debbie Garside; sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [ga] Haiti, the Internet and ICANN
>> 
>> Debbie and all,
>> 
>>   Wikipedia is under some creditibility concerns.  
>> See:http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000257.html
>> 
>> So it is difficult to consider such a reference as being 
>> accurate in any way.  After reading it, much of the language 
>> used was extreamly emotive in nature, and some of the 
>> statements regarding tourture were entirely unproven and from 
>> where I sit, not even close to being creditable.
>> 
>>   Again nice try, still no cigar.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Jun 30, 2007 11:48 AM
>> >To: sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Subject: RE: [ga] Haiti, the Internet and ICANN
>> >
>> >Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!
>> >
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
>> >
>> >Best regards
>> >
>> >Debbie
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>> >> sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Sent: 30 June 2007 17:25
>> >> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: [ga] Haiti, the Internet and ICANN
>> >> 
>> >> As a nation state, Haiti has bigger and more pressing issues to 
>> >> address than whether or not they will be included in internet 
>> >> governance; problems like child slavery for instance... there are 
>> >> roughly as many child slaves as there are internet users in Haiti 
>> >> i.e. roughly 6% of the Haitian population (of just over 8 
>> million) or 
>> >> some 500,000 souls all told.  In fact, rather than being seen as a 
>> >> supporter of such an abominable institution as child slavery by 
>> >> including delegations from the current Haitian administration (and 
>> >> actually paying for their trip!), ICANN should suspend activities 
>> >> relating to Haiti's participation in ICANN until said 
>> country cleans 
>> >> up its act!  To suppose that a country that sanctions and 
>> perpetuates 
>> >> the institution of child slavery is a valuable member of 
>> the internet 
>> >> community is ridiculously hypocritical, especially when 
>> you consider 
>> >> the reason the .IQ ccTLD has been put "on ice". [see:
>> >> http://forums.hostmysite.com/post-16288.html] Last time I checked, 
>> >> child slavery was an internationally condemned practice 
>> and illegal 
>> >> in the United States... Why doesn't ICANN suspend .ht instead of 
>> >> rewarding an administration that has one of the worst human rights 
>> >> records on the planet?
>> >> 
>> >> Sotiris
>> >> 
>> Regards,
>> Jeffrey A. Williams
>> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders 
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>> ===============================================================
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Regards,
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very
often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability
depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of
Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Registered Email addr with the USPS Contact Number: 214-244-4827