Re: [ga] ICANN Board unanimously approves .biz/.info/.org registry agreements by 13-0

["kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

veni wrote "By going back to history, and why
someone did something, you are not making any progress."

Not learning from history is a bad practice and bad business, Veni. The 
other reason most do not want to re-examine their actions are that they are 
avoiding scrutiny. Much better for you if we just decide that you can do as 
you please and there is nothing that can be done about it.

veni also wrote "My understanding of the bottom-up process is obviously not 
what you
> wrote - and I am not sure why on earth would someone even think that this 
> could be my understanding...'

You have been asked over and over again just what your idea of bottom up 
consensus is. If I missed it, please point out where you have answered that 
question.

Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
http://www.articlecontentprovider.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Veni Markovski" <veni@xxxxxxxx>
To: "General Assembly of the DNSO" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: [ga] ICANN Board unanimously approves .biz/.info/.org registry 
agreements by 13-0


> Dominik,
> I already said it several times, but perhaps you have missed it.
> Explanation of votes has been done in several cases; it has not helped, 
> regardless of how I vote. I mean, it has not helped here, in the GA list.
> There are certainly quite knowledgable people here, and certainly they 
> should also know the basic rule of business: once a decision is made, take 
> it, and keep on working. By going back to history, and why someone did 
> something, you are not making any progress.
>
> As for the words below, I'd say that you've responded to your own 
> questions, too. At least for me at this point this conversation is over. 
> You've said your opinion, I've said mine. We disagree. Fair enough. But 
> there's more work to be done in the future - both for making ICANN better, 
> and for making the Internet better. If you have lots of time to spend on 
> explaining everything you do, then how would you have time to actually do 
> something?
>
> My understanding of the bottom-up process is obviously not what you 
> wrote - and I am not sure why on earth would someone even think that this 
> could be my understanding...
>
> veni
>
> At 07:00 PM 11.12.2006 '?.'  +0100, Dominik Filipp wrote:
> > There was a slight difference between voting in "capitalist world", and
> > "socialist camp". I know what I'm talking about as I'd been living over
> > 25 years in a socialist camp. The slight difference is in that I had no
> > free will to vote for who I wanted to, unless I was prepared to be
> > persecuted or to go directly into jail. Comparing this to over 90% of
> > the GA responses thus seems to me inappropriate and mortifying for GA
> > members. If in the USA the majority approved the war it was an
> > expression of its free will, whatever wrong the decision might seem.
> >
> > But what I find similar is the way how our former communist leaders were
> > dealing with the 'voice of the public'. They also often stated how
> > negligible the voice was, particularly, when compared to the great ideas
> > the mankind was just approaching. How could, after all, ordinary people
> > understand all that complexity apparent to just those few sacrificing
> > their whole lives to the bright communist 'tommorows'?
> >
> > If this is your understanding of the bottom-up consesus, then I really
> > worry about the future of ICANN. If, after all, you decide to come
> > closer to the public, please respond to my questions.
> >
> > Dominik
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Veni Markovski [mailto:veni@xxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:39 PM
> > To: Dominik Filipp; Veni Markovski; icann board address
> > Cc: General Assembly of the DNSO
> > Subject: RE: [ga] ICANN Board unanimously approves .biz/.info/.org
> > registry agreements by 13-0
> >
> > At 03:47 PM 11.12.2006 '?.'  +0100, Dominik Filipp wrote:
> > >Veni an all,
> > >
> > >that's exactly the point. If over 90% comments are against the proposal
> >
> > >I don't understand how the proclaiming support for the bottom-up
> > >consensus can hold any further.
> >
> > I have explaned several of my votes, which I consider very important in
> > the last years. The explanations are at http://blog.veni.com , and also
> > in the minutes. As for the percents, one thing I've learnt is that
> > sometimes the percents are not really what matters - you see, in the so
> > called socialist camp (yes, the world before 1989 was divided in
> > "capitalist world", and "socialist camp" - I guess you can see the irony
> > here), there were usually 99.2 % voting in favor of the ruling communist
> > party. In the USA the majority of the people approved the war in Iraq.
> > Etc, etc. Public opinion polls are not always the arguments that one has
> > to listen to, when acting. I would have agreed with you, if I were a
> > politican or a showman, who cares about his image. Since I am neither,
> > and I had duties to the Internet community and ICANN, and not to the GA
> > mailing list, I somehow do not feel the arguments of the majority were
> > very compelling. By the way, obviously the same feelings were in all
> > other directors, because people from all over the world voted the same
> > way.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Veni Markovski
> > http://www.veni.com
> >
> > check also my blog:
> > http://blog.veni.com
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Veni Markovski
> http://www.veni.com
>
> check also my blog:
> http://blog.veni.com