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Re: [ga] Roberto Gaetano on ALAC Reform/Bingo

  • To: Joop Teernstra <terastra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Vittorio Bertola <vb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [ga] Roberto Gaetano on ALAC Reform/Bingo
  • From: Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:25:22 -0800 (PST)
  • Cc: Karl Auerbach <karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Gentlemen and Women,
   
  This hits the issues on the spot. Direct versus "intermediate" voting. Or as our country has argued about since inception Representative Republic or Democratic direct participatory United States. Wigs and Torries would use other terms to the same end.
  Joop is right throughout EU it has been a contentious issue. But Vittorio is right, they seem to live with it - intermediate.
  And that is the crux of ALAC. A bunch of groups are represented. Not individuals. We in the western USA are famous for our refusal to join groups. (maybe infamous) We vote on everything from raising taxes to new parks to impeachment to policechiefs to garbage collector director and we do it one man one vote style.
  This concept should be placed to a vote here.
   
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Joop Teernstra <terastra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  At 02:29 p.m. 1/12/2005, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

>I think that the point is exactly that: in North America you have 
>political approaches, ways of participation, levels of Internet 
>development that are very different from almost every other part of the 
>globe. In Europe, for example, we are much more comfortable with indirect 
>representation, European-level councils where all countries are 
>represented, weighed voting etc.;


Vittorio, how familiar are you with political approaches, ways of 
participation, etc. *within* the different nations of Europe?
Are "we" really that much more comfortable with indirect representation?
If so, why would the Swiss have fought it off until this day?

Do you think Europeans like multi-level representation when it is not 
mandated by necessity?

One of the internet's characteristics is its power to dis-intermediate - 
doing away with unnecessary and obfuscating intermediate levels of 
representation.

>I am starting to think that the actual solution of all this could be to 
>reinstate direct At Large elections for North America only -

Making that kind of differentiation would open an entire new can of 
worms. It seems the ALAC is starting to grasp at straws.


-joop-


  


		
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