Re: [ga] "Breaking America's grip on the net"

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Whomever and all former DNSO GA members or other interested stakeholders/users,

The net is already been split up for over 4 years now.  Where
have you been?  ICANN was the cause.  The result was
and remains the same.  New sTLD's such as 'xxx' will not
fix the problem, nor will Ipv6, nor DNSSEC, nor a working
IPSEC.  It will take coordination and cooperation by the
stakeholders/users and all interested parties to effect such
a fix.  ICANN is unwilling to do and so as a result
the saga continues...

kidsearch wrote:

> Then there may be a breakup. Which is worse?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 3:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [ga] "Breaking America's grip on the net"
>
> > Joop and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
> stakeholders/users,
> >
> > Nice try, but it ain't never going to really happen.  No
> > meeting in Geneva or anywhere in the EU is going to
> > change the position of this administration regarding
> > whom controls the "Root" or the basic infrastructure
> > of the internet.
> >
> > Don't get caught up in such political clap trap Joop.
> >
> > Joop Teernstra wrote:
> >
> > > http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,16376,1585288,00.html
> > >
> > > Breaking America's grip on the net
> > >
> > > After troubled negotiations in Geneva, the US may be forced to
> relinquish
> > > control of the internet to a coalition of governments
> > >
> > > Kieren McCarthy
> > > Thursday October 6, 2005
> > > The Guardian
> > > You would expect an announcement that would forever change the face of
> the
> > > internet to be a grand affair - a big stage, spotlights, media scrums
> and a
> > > charismatic frontman working the crowd.
> > > But unless you knew where he was sitting, all you got was David Hendon's
> > > slightly apprehensive voice through a beige plastic earbox. The words
> were
> > > calm, measured and unexciting, but their implications will be felt for
> > > generations to come.
> > > Hendon is the Department for Trade and Industry's director of business
> > > relations and was in Geneva representing the UK government and European
> > > Union at the third and final preparatory meeting for next month's World
> > > Summit on the Information Society. He had just announced a political
> coup
> > > over the running of the internet.
> > > Old allies in world politics, representatives from the UK and US sat
> just
> > > feet away from each other, but all looked straight ahead as Hendon
> > > explained the EU had decided to end the US government's unilateral
> control
> > > of the internet and put in place a new body that would now run this
> > > revolutionary communications medium.
> > > The issue of who should control the net had proved an extremely divisive
> > > issue, and for 11 days the world's governments traded blows. For the
> vast
> > > majority of people who use the internet, the only real concern is
> getting
> > > on it. But with the internet now essential to countries' basic
> > > infrastructure - Brazil relies on it for 90% of its tax collection - the
> > > question of who has control has become critical.
> > > And the unwelcome answer for many is that it is the US government. In
> the
> > > early days, an enlightened Department of Commerce (DoC) pushed and
> funded
> > > expansion of the internet. And when it became global, it created a
> private
> > > company, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann)
> to
> > > run it.
> > > But the DoC retained overall control, and in June stated what many had
> > > always feared: that it would retain indefinite control of the internet's
> > > foundation - its "root servers", which act as the basic directory for
> the
> > > whole internet.
> > > A number of countries represented in Geneva, including Brazil, China,
> Cuba,
> > > Iran and several African states, insisted the US give up control, but it
> > > refused. The meeting "was going nowhere", Hendon says, and so the EU
> took a
> > > bold step and proposed two stark changes: a new forum that would decide
> > > public policy, and a "cooperation model" comprising governments that
> would
> > > be in overall charge.
> > > Much to the distress of the US, the idea proved popular. Its
> representative
> > > hit back, stating that it "can't in any way allow any changes" that went
> > > against the "historic role" of the US in controlling the top level of
> the
> > > internet.
> > > But the refusal to budge only strengthened opposition, and now the
> world's
> > > governments are expected to agree a deal to award themselves ultimate
> > > control. It will be officially raised at a UN summit of world leaders
> next
> > > month and, faced with international consensus, there is little the US
> > > government can do but acquiesce.
> > > But will this move mean, as the US ambassador David Gross argued, that
> > > "even on technical details, the industry will have to follow
> government-set
> > > policies, UN-set policies"?
> > > No, according to Nitin Desai, the UN's special adviser on internet
> > > governance. "There is clearly an acceptance here that governments are
> not
> > > concerned with the technical and operational management of the internet.
> > > Standards are set by the users."
> > > Hendon is also adamant: "The really important point is that the EU
> doesn't
> > > want to see this change as bringing new government control over the
> > > internet. Governments will only be involved where they need to be and
> only
> > > on issues setting the top-level framework."
> > > Human rights
> > > But expert and author of Ruling the Root, Milton Mueller, is not so
> sure.
> > > An overseeing council "could interfere with standards. What would stop
> it
> > > saying 'when you're making this standard for data transfer you have to
> > > include some kind of surveillance for law enforcement'?"
> > > Then there is human rights. China has attracted criticism for filtering
> > > content from the net within its borders. Tunisia - host of the World
> Summit
> > > - has also come under attack for silencing online voices. Mueller
> doesn't
> > > see a governmental overseeing council having any impact: "What human
> rights
> > > groups want is for someone to be able to bring some kind of enforceable
> > > claim to stop them violating people's rights. But how's that going to
> > > happen? I can't see that a council is going to be able to improve the
> human
> > > rights situation."
> > > And what about business? Will a governmental body running the internet
> add
> > > unnecessary bureaucracy or will it bring clarity and a coherent system?
> > > Mueller is unsure: "The idea of the council is so vague. It's not clear
> to
> > > me that governments know what to do about anything at this stage apart
> from
> > > get in the way of things that other people do."
> > > There are still dozens of unanswered questions but all the answers are
> > > pointing the same way: international governments deciding the internet's
> > > future. The internet will never be the same again.
> > >
> > > unquote
> > >
> > > -joop-
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obediance of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827