Re: [ga] RE: Domain seller leaves thousands in limbo

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Richard and all former DNSO GA members or other interested stakeholders/users,

  Thanks Richard for the clarification. But I was actually only borrowing
Nominet's registrar as an illustration for questions for thought and concern
regarding gTLD and other registries and multi-TLD registrars.  However
soon we will have more multi-TLD registries as well.  Hence the concern
regarding registry and/or registrar escrow.  As you likely already know,
many registrars and some registries, are tiertering on insolvency and
a escrow concern is evident if not about to escalate.  Yet ICANN
seems to be contemplating seemingly serenely i.e. Vint's remarks
on this thread earlier, as what to do when 4+ years ago, many good
and enforceable suggestions were provided, but ICANN BoD
and staff, ignored.  Now the chickens have come home to
roost, perhaps...  As such, another ICANN related disaster
looms...  Tisk, Tisk...

Richard Henderson wrote:

> Good points about policy regarding escrow. With regard to losing the domains
> if they are not notified, what happens with .uk is that BEFORE expiry date
> the registrar is supposed to notify the registrant of the need for renewal.
> AFTER expiry date, Nominet the registry also notifies the registrant a
> number of times that the name has expired. So there should be no need to
> lose the domains, even if the registrar goes belly-up.
>
> And as I said, there is no problem transferring your domains to a different
> registrar if you are worried at all - because Nominet can and does "force"
> the transfer to a new registrar. So if I had registered domains with
> Firevision, I cannot see how I would lose those domains (though I would be
> faced with the same inconvenience that any company liquidation can cause). I
> think the .uk processes work in this scenario. Do gTLD registries have a
> similar capability to "rescue" the registrant?
>
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "Danny Younger" <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>; "Vinton G. Cerf"
> <vinton.g.cerf@xxxxxxx>; <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [ga] RE: Domain seller leaves thousands in limbo
>
> > Richard and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
> > stakeholders/users,
> >
> >   In part you miss the point/problem here.  That being that does or does
> > not
> > ICANN have the ability to enforce escrow policy as it now stands?  And
> > how will the do so?  In addition, will or does such enforcement only
> > provide
> > a remedy of discrediting Firevision, as well will all of the Firevision
> > registrants be made aware of Firevision receivership?  And finally,
> > if escrow is not in place or the data backed-up is too old, will
> > Firevision's
> > registrants whom are not aware of the problem, loose their domain
> > names?

Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
    Pierre Abelard

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827