Re: [ga] RE: Domain seller leaves thousands in limbo

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Danny, Vint and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
stakeholders/users,

 Vint, if you recall many good suggestions were long ago with regard
to escrow.  They were as usual for ICANN, ignored.  That was
4+ years ago as I recall.  Here we have a anticipated situation that
likely
would have been avoided had several of the suggestions for Escrow
been adapted.  They weren't of course as they were ignored.

  So how do you see enforcing any escrow now?  And how do you
believe damaged individuals can be made whole from this fiasco? As
Firevision is a nominet reseller, is it Nomainet's responsibility to
compensate these registrants,  or ICANN's?

  In that most registrants are locked out of the Registrant constituency

unless they sign the "Paledge/drink the coolaid" how will their voice
or concerns be addressed if they are Firevision customers?  Will
ICANN step in at do the right thing, or will they be left to the tender
mercies of nominet's benevolence?  Is the internet for everyone,
Vint, or is it for everyone that is willing to be at the benevolance
of ICANN's non-controled registrars/registries?


Danny Younger wrote:

>    Vint,
>
> >From their website:  "Firevision has been a member of the UK domain
> name authority, Nominet, for over 2 years. Firevision was one of the
> first UK resellers for the ICANN-accredited registrar, OpenSRS, and
> has been registering cheap dot.com, dot.net and dot.org domains since
> June 2000. Firevision began registering the new .info domain names in
> October 2001."
> http://www.firevision.net/Questions/Questions3.html
>
> With regard to escrow policy, I thought that a policy is already
> incorporated into the RAA (section 3.6).  The issue in my mind is
> whether the policy is actually being enforced.  I understand that
> Staff are scheduled to soon release a new version of the RAA for
> consideration.  Perhaps based on your communications with Staff you
> could advise if any changes to the data escrow portion of the
> Agreement are planned to be put forth in this new iteration.
>
> Finally, regarding registrant protection and reassurance, I'll be
> happy to flesh out some ideas in the next few days, but don't be
> surprised if a request for a registrants constituency is part of the
> proposal :)
>
> Best wishes,
> Danny
>
>
>
> "Vinton G. Cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Danny, is Firevision a nominet reseller? Also on the receivership
> matter, I have been given to understand that the registrar failed to
> show up for a court hearing and was placed in receivership.
>
>
>
> However, the point here is to ask what we can collectively do to
> provide more safety and protection for registrants who really want the
> system to perform reliably and to allow them the flexibility to
> transfer accounts and so on. Some of this safety might come from much
> better tools and policies for escrow of critical data. Maybe some
> resilience might come from having foster homes for registrants whose
> registrars (or registries???) have ceased to operate. To some extent,
> the introduction of competitive markets increases some risks of
> business failures but the absence of competition has its not so good
> side effects and doesn?t assure that failures won?t happen (sorry for
> the double negative there).
>
>
>
> If you have some ideas that would flesh out a theme of registrant
> protection and reassurance, I?d be interested to hear it.
>
>
>
> Vint
>
>
>
>
>
> Vinton Cerf, SVP Technology Strategy, MCI
> 22001 Loudoun County Parkway, F2-4115
> Ashburn, VA 20147
> +1 703 886 1690, +1 703 886 0047 fax
> vinton.g.cerf@xxxxxxx
>
>
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>
>
> From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 4:46 PM
> To: vinton.g.cerf@xxxxxxx
> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Domain seller leaves thousands in limbo
>
>
>
>
> Article by Kieren McCarthy in the Register:
>
>
> h
> tp://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/08/firevision_domain_customess_in_limbo/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> No doubt, we'll be seeing more and more of these stories as registrars
> and re-sellers fall into receivership (see the following URL for
> another registrar receivership story:
> http://webserv5.dodora.net/litigation/ ).  I'd love to know the ICANN
> view on such matters...
>
>
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Regards,

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