Re: [ga] Soccer Tournament in Mar del Plata

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Michael and all former DNSO GA members or other interested stakeholders/users,

  Thank you very much for you nicely worded response to Sotiris's remarks
regarding the proposed soccer game a the next and upcoming Marina
Del Rey ICANN meeting in April.  However there are some inconsistencies
or non-factual remarks and/or statements in your remarks that I and our
members feel need to again be addressed.

  There is no honest effort for in ICANN "helping people self organize and
create an environment where they can interact and work together."  As the
ALAC as an example is severally restricted in it's so called "Membership"
and the GNSO has been indirectly very active in restricting precipitation
sense it conception and the doing away with the GA and the DNSO.
Hence I and all of our members have very great difficulty is understanding
how you gained or acquired such a perspective, lest you have forgotten
and turned a blind eye towards ICANN's and in particular the GNSO's
already well documented history.

Michael D. Palage wrote:

> Sotiris:
>
> Can I offer another perspective of this proposed soccer tournament. Knowing
> that this good faith effort on my behalf has the potential to set off a
> flood of email flames, let me start off with the following statement. I am
> not a clueless ICANN director that believes ICANN's core mission has now
> been expanded to include promoting regional soccer tournaments. However, as
> discussed below I believe there is some potential benefit to Erick's efforts
> if you just take a minute to look at it from a different perspective.
>
> Although we have never had the opportunity to sit down and talk in person, I
> was truly impressed by your efforts during the ICANN regional meeting in
> Montreal where you stood up during the open session and read into the record
> on behalf of third parties their comments. I thought this was a personal
> touch that provided a little more involvement then Vint just reading an
> email submission into the record.
>
> As you are aware from your attendance during the Montreal meeting, there is
> a lot of off-line socializing that takes place during these events, ranging
> from events such as the host reception open to all attendees, to closed
> events such as those hosted by the registries primarily for the benefit of
> the registrars. In addition to these scheduled formal events there are also
> numerous informal/unscheduled meetings that take place in the lobby of the
> hotel or the bars and restaurants of the local establishments. Unfortunately
> these dynamics are a part of an ICANN meeting that cannot be captured via a
> web cast. This social interaction over the years has provided me with the
> opportunity to understand different perspectives that I would otherwise not
> have had.
>
> I think providing attendees the opportunity to interact on a soccer field,
> participating in one of the world's most popular sports, is a nice
> alternative to people sitting at the hotel bar drinking and smoking. Perhaps
> I am a little bias in this opinion, as I played soccer for seven years when
> I was younger and this past fall I coached my son's soccer team which was a
> nice break from the daily DNS grind.
>
> Please note ICANN's limited role in this proposed event. A stakeholder asked
> ICANN for assistance in disseminating information about this event to make
> it possible. By way of example, consider the effort that the Registrar
> Constituency undertook in Cape Town. Traditionally, the registrar
> constituency has only met for a single day during the previous regional
> meetings. In Cape Town, the registrar constituency asked ICANN for a room so
> that they could hold meetings over a two day period. During this additional
> day, one of the supplemental sessions was on deletes, see
> http://www.icann.org/meetings/capetown/icann-domainnames-workshop-01dec04.ht
> m. This session was open to all, and there were some papers submitted by
> individuals users Danny Younger and Richard Henderson.
>
> I guess what I am trying to say is that part of ICANN's core mission from my
> perspective is helping people self organize and create an environment where
> they can interact and work together. Since stepping down as the Chair of the
> Registrar almost two years ago, I have had the benefit of attending all of
> the various GNSO constituency meetings during the ICANN regional meetings.
> Erick is active participant within the Non-Commercial Constituency and I
> believe has made some valuable contributions.
>
> In closing, I view Erick's efforts to organize this soccer tournament in a
> similar light as your efforts in Montreal to provide people with a voice
> during the public forum. Although you may not find his efforts particularly
> beneficial, I think criticizing him is not exactly helpful and only
> undermines the positive efforts that people like yourself, Danny Younger,
> Richard Henderson and others have made.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michael D. Palage
>
> P.S. I hope that with ICANN having their 2005 annual meeting in Vancouver
> you might be able to attend and offer a similar contribution as you did in
> Montreal, plus provide us with the opportunity to sit down in person and
> talk.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> Of Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:31 PM
> To: Erick Iriarte Ahon
> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ga] Soccer Tournament in Mar del Plata
>
> Here's just another example of the running joke the "ALAC" must be in
> some circles...  Mr Ahon writes: "To meet-up with an ALAC member at the
> events, send an email to <committee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>. See
> <http://www.alac.icann.org/calendar.htm> for more events and information."
>
> Just try clicking on the ALAC calendar link; you'll be interested to
> note that the scheduled content is ALL for 2004, with the latest being
> for Nov. 2004. Seems Mr. Ahon just fired off a 'hip shot' blindly... not
> that it matters really, he's still having a jolly old time preparing for
>   his soccer tourney, and I guess he just thought nobody would notice.
>
> Erick Iriarte Ahon wrote:
>
> > In addition, the ALAC is co-sponsoring a soccer
> > tournament during the Mar del Plata ICANN meetings and is seeking
> > players and sponsors (more information is included below; send soccer
> > inquiries to Erick Iriarte <faia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>). To meet-up with an
> > ALAC member at the events, send an email to <committee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>.
> See
> > <http://www.alac.icann.org/calendar.htm> for more events and information.
> >
> > More:
> >
> > ICANN meeting participants will have a physical, as well as
> > intellectual, reason to attend the regional meeting in Mar del Plata in
> > April 2005. The ALAC is jointly hosting a Soccer Tournament, which
> > encourages fun, informal interaction for all ICANN constituencies and
> > stakeholders. The ALAC invites all interested groups to form teams and
> > join the Soccer Tournament, which will be held during the ICANN
> > meetings, 4-8 April. The teams will include 6 members and 4 substitutes,
> > and can be formed by any entity or group of individuals involved in
> > ICANN. To register, or if you are interested in being a Tournament
> > sponsor, please send an email to: Erick Iriarte <faia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>.
> >
> >
>
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