RE: [ga] xxx and zoning

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Your point of course is well taken.  However included in your definition would certainly be Anatomy textbooks or talk of smutty matters like the Lewinsky impeachment matter.
And lest you think I was wise enough for such a quote, I believe it was US Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren who came up with the line.
I also failed to point out and bring in remembrance the division of topic lists in the old GA and ultimately, TRs presiding over it being put onto this xxx forum.  However if I am not mistaken, there were two lists in the old GA, Dr. Babtista's uncensored and one that could block obscene attacks on persons.
Of course I would be remisce not to remember your insistance and hardwork in coming up with a definition of domain name as a .... dag nabbit I cannot remember the conclusion.  Of course that fits in with defining the bugger of all - consensus which we would all agree on as obscene and fitting with a discussion of multilingualism and the scope of ICANNs mission or religion.
 
Spamming is content neutral and xxx is content defined.  It would seem both can best be remedied by technical protections applied by the individual and are both purely market driven.
 
RFCs should remain in the science of photography, reporting on what is and not what should be.


Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Hugh" Dierker writes: "Remember, there is no definition of pornography, but, "I know it when I see it". Spam looks like porn to me."
 
Au contraire Mr. Dierker, there is a very clear definition of pornography.
 
Pornography:
 
1. Pictures, writing, or other material that is sexually explicit. 

2. The presentation or production of this material.

Not only is there a definition, but it's pretty much universally considered a "dirty" business fraught with all sorts of distasteful and disagreeable situations, persons and practices.

Though I must admit, I'm not at all surprised by your comment, especially that it was you who made it.


"Pornography is the attempt to insult sex, to do dirt on it."

        -D. H. Lawrence (1885?1930), British author. Pornography and Obscenity (1930; repr. in Phoenix: The Posthumous Papers of D. H. Lawrence, pt. 3, ed. by E. McDonald, 1936). 


"Pornography is literature designed to be read with one hand."

        -Angela Lambert (b. 1940), British journalist. Independent on Sunday (London, 18 Feb. 1990).
 
Sotiris Sotiropoulos



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From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hugh Dierker
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:39 AM
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ga] xxx and zoning



Zoning.  History is full of the notion of putting the "dirty" stuff in a special zone.
The tenements outside the colliseum, Pegale district, Canal Street and it does not end with porn.  Lepper colonies, prisons, Mexico City's dump, China towns from Cholon to SF and the Mauritians in Paris. Perhaps ghettos, and cult retreats and do not forget nudist colonies, and Vegas. If most of the places in Asia did not have special districts you could not find your way to a church, - oh yes, we have church zoning in most of the US. And I suppose it works.  
In my little adopted home town we basically zoned AEEs (adult entertainment establishments) into outlying boulevards.  Urban sprawl happened and the land became valuable to developers and the shops got eminant domained and the land rezoned for churches and schools and "residential".  Oh not all was lost, you can still find streets where crack and hookers are there for a slow moving car. The trouble there is that now it is not acknowledged by the establishment and crime permeates the barrios like a wildfire.
 
Make no mistake, knocking pornsites out of dotcom is akin to taking a womens lingerie shop on mainstreet.  You are going to be taking ones property and you had better make damn sure you have a good due process involved.  And then you also better decide if seeing Janet's teats is worse than excluding books from your public library simply because JFK was in fact doing Marilyn.
 
It is funny but the xxx is also an integral part of globalization.  The difference between creating a melting pot of all or segregating your culture and spices in order to preserve the unique flavors and tastes. Try Mole', it is good, as is a good chicken curry Cous Cous but I like chocolate and Couscous all by themselves sometimes. Paella may even be a better example.
 
One needs a carrot and a stick in helping porn find a safe niche.  Someone once said "if you build it they will come".  As gambling seems to have found safe haven venues, perhaps there is a country that has absolutely no prohibition or restrictions on pornography and they could host such a site. Oops that could never happen because the big bad countries that talk so bad about porn make the most revenue off of it.  What was Castro thinking when he closed off the golden spicket known as the Havana Night Life?
 
Remember, there is no definition of pornography, but, "I know it when I see it". Spam looks like porn to me.

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@xxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:12:22PM -0800,
Jeff Williams wrote 
a message of 32 lines which said:

> Seems to me in the .xxx specific case, depending on how it is
> handled, it would be a good idea to have such a sTLD.

Read RFC 3675 ".sex Considered Dangerous" first.


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