Re: [ga] request for details about ALAC members

[Don Brown <donbrown_l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Jefsey,

I'm don't wear rose colored glasses and ignore reality.

  ICANN is suppose to be open and transparent - they are not
  ICANN is suppose to develop bottoms-up consensus - they don't
  ICANN is suppose to do several things under the MOU - they don't

ICANN has shown us, time and again, that they have little regard for
the stability of the Internet and the best interests of the Internet
Community.  ICANN has also shown us, time and again, that they are a
group of insiders with their own, self-serving agenda.

The ICANN insiders have manipulated their structure and governance, in
order to control who is admitted to their cliche. Karl didn't fit,
because he had the education, intellect, technical experience and,
moreover, because he was an advocate of the Internet community (not
just N America, either). As a result of the Karl threat to the cliche
and for other similar reasons, ICANN figured out how to abolish
elections and honest, bottoms-up representation and now closely
controls admittance to the fraternity of ICANN insiders. They have
created a sham for public and legislative consumption, but the reality
is much different than the smoke screen.

The US invaded a sovereign nation, contrary to the UN and in violation
of International law. However, the only correlation between ICANN and
the White House is that both administrations are self-absorbed, out of
control and make-up the rules as they go along.  Also, in both cases
and as it has been said many times before, "follow the money and the
truth will set you free."

I've seen Joe Sims display his intellect and demeanor in several
posts and, as a result, I'd hardly call him the brightest, or even a
bright, bulb on the tree.

ICANN is corrupt and out of control. There's no margin in ignoring the
reality and hoping that evolution will cure that ill. There are better
odds, in my opinion, of Osama bin Laden converting to Catholicism.

Thanks,



Saturday, October 11, 2003, 12:23:54 AM, J-F C. (Jefsey)  Morfin <jefsey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
JFCJM> Dear Don,
JFCJM> No reason to call Roberto a crook. Or ICANN either.

JFCJM> They are lost in the middle of somethng they do not control  and they were 
JFCJM> told by the US law to control it. Not in so plain words - what would have 
JFCJM> made the thing easier - but by common understanding and practice.

JFCJM> Their only way out rigth now (like GWB) "is  to be a crook". To make 
JFCJM> believe theycann. To go to Iraq. Their next way out will be to call for 
JFCJM> coperation, like GWB calling on UN's help in Iraq.

JFCJM> That day, our best interest will be that some of them are still oround (it 
JFCJM> will be shock for them and they will fly away - the first one was Joe Sims 
JFCJM> - the smartest among thm).
JFCJM> jfc


JFCJM> At 03:28 11/10/03, Don Brown wrote:
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>>Why do you persist in spending your time about this charade, when you
>>and the rest of us, fully recognize it as a shame?  That was a question
>>and not a criticism . . . .
>>
>>You can't talk convincingly to a crook about the merits of being law
>>abiding - they shake their head, but it doesn't compute.  So, when you
>>recognize it for what it really is, I think it is time to shut up and
>>move on.  Don't you agree?
>>
>>We can't make a difference by debating the crooks.  They have
>>different rules.  What we need to do is to enlist the legislature and
>>it takes every one of us to do that - we all need to make ICANN a
>>political football which the legislature must handle for political
>>reasons.
>>
>>Otherwise, we are engaged in mental mastur* (sorry ladies), but that
>>is the reality of it.  There needs to be a focused and pointed action
>>toward the legislature, in order to get it changed for the better.
>>That's the reality of it, as I now see it.  I'm not very fond of wheel
>>spinning . . .
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Friday, October 10, 2003, 6:02:12 PM, J-F C. (Jefsey)  Morfin 
>><jefsey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>JFCJM> At 19:19 10/10/03, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
>> >>We can probably discuss forever about the representativity of the current
>> >>ALAC members, on the fact that they have not been elected by popular vote
>> >>of the millions of users of the Internet, but this does not make us pawns
>> >>in the hands of phantom interests.
>>
>>JFCJM> Roberto,
>>JFCJM> why not simply to word ALAC as at large authoritative consultants (and
>>JFCJM> voluntary). There is not need for you to be elected to tell what 
>>you think
>>JFCJM> we say, if you only report and not defend your own opinons. But I 
>>think
>>JFCJM> advisable that understandi most of what you talk about, including 
>>technics,
>>JFCJM> in advizing an organization which pretends to be operation management
>>JFCJM> oriented. IMHO the lawyer of a farmer is better off understanding 
>>law than
>>JFCJM> farming.
>>JFCJM> jfc
>>
>>
>>
>>
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