Re: [ga] Vint Cerf opposed to users being redirected to search engines

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Richard and all former DNSO GA members or other interested  parties,

  Let's not forget that ICANN does not own the DNS.  And never has.
Nor does ICANN or any other spicific entity own the technology changes,
or improvements that have come along sense 1998 with respect to the
DNS and how it is or will interoperate, despite Vint's yammerings
to or toward the contrary, or Jefsey's assertions in tacit support
there of.

  Thep legacy Root Structure is also not owned by ICANN as they
seem to believe and as Vint along with others of his political bent
would have anyone believe.  It is a public resource paid for
by users and tax payers money.  What is given in a certain
level of control to ICANN can be taken away or routed
around as Vint is complaining about in the below mentioned
WSJ article.  Its just a different place for Vint to spin.

  I believe that Vint is beginning to see that his many times
changed vision of the DNS is slipping away and want to
effect some damage control to flawed vision(s) that
ICANN and he has touted...

Richard Henderson wrote:

> Ha! Now Teilhard de Chardin was fantastic! He took Duns Scotus's idea of
> "haecittas" and developed it into a modern theology... what you might call
> "ordered complexification"!
>
> Personally, I love the "thisness" of all the websites on the net, and the
> way the Internet can refer to a sum greater than all its parts, because of
> the interactions which it positively incites.
>
> As for governance or ownership (or property rights...)
>
> Who can own the recalcitrant human mind? And yet in the multiplicities of
> the human genius, you can see the implications of great beauty. (Not quite
> the same language as the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ of ICANN or the DNS suppliers,
> admittedly)
>
> yrs,
>
> Richard H
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Dan Steinberg <synthesis@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; Karl Auerbach
> <karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: L. Gallegos <jandl@xxxxxxxxx>; <ga@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] Vint Cerf opposed to users being redirected to search
> engines
>
> > At 16:19 06/09/03, Dan Steinberg wrote:
> > >I agree with Karl that many (if not most) users of the web do not care
> > >about the religious purity of the experience and more about finding what
> > >they want.
> >
> > Dan,
> > what millions of brains aournd the world do with, understand of, engineers
> > from the software is what one names "brainware" - what Telihard de Chardin
> > has annouced as the "noosphere".
> >
> > >More to the point, it seems to me that none of us (not even the mighty
> > >ICANN) has the right nor the power to control what happens in this
> > >instance.  At the desktop???? I think not.  In fact...I'm sure not.
> >
> > The brainware can be influenced, suggested ideas, mostly at the begining
> of
> > a new conept taught correct or wrong beliefs by press, education,
> > government attitudes etc. one says "influed", the same as "programmed" for
> > software and "designed" for hardware.
> >
> > One exemple of brainware influing is the root system: making the world
> > believe one needs a real time access to 13 (now a little more) machines
> > under ICANN control, to get updated a file mostly known as being refused
> to
> > be updated by ICANN, everyone can update via FTP, and which represents in
> > size 1% or less than the virus tables everyone maintains on his machine.
> >
> > Today after ICANN the brainware master is Microsoft. And this is the
> reason
> > of its importance. If BG says or develop something most of the people will
> > accept and trust it is the way it must be done in a world lead by Windows.
> > There are some ICANN sects, there are IETF chapels but there is a leading
> > M$ church.
> >
> > jfc
> >
> >
> > Karl Auerbach wrote:
> >
> > >>On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, L. Gallegos wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>The link below requires a subscription to wsjonline.  If anyone knows
> of
> > >>>any other articles reporting this opinion by Mr. Cerf, I'd like to see
> it.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>In case anywone has not noticed, Microsoft's Internet Exploder^H^H^Hrer
> > >>comes from the factory with "search" enabled.
> > >>
> > >>There is a long road between what a user enters into a browser's
> "address
> > >>bar" and what is seen in the browser windows.  Along that road the
> user's
> > >>entry may evolve considerably.
> > >>
> > >>Microsoft has given itself priority places along that roadway, but we
> > >>have seen others, new.net being but one, who also have made use of the
> > >>place between the address bar and the window.
> > >>
> > >>I seriously doubt that many web users care much about the religious
> purity
> > >>of domain names; I suggest that users care, instead, much more about
> > >>finding what they want.
> > >>
> > >>                 --karl--
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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