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Re: [ga] Dierker NOT Private
- To: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: Re: [ga] Dierker NOT Private
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 17:06:59 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>John and all,</P>
<P> </P>
<P> Not trying to muddy anything, just pointing out the facts as they are
available to me.</P>
<P>So were you asking a question, or making a statement? Please
advise.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Second, the beef with Angelfire by the complainant of the link I posted</P>
<P> was upheld in court. Enough said? These complaints taken
to court</P>
<P>have 87% of the time gone against Angelfire, have been upheld.
Ergo, filtering</P>
<P>the nonsense from the facts once completed, or ongoing, leaves the
truth for all to</P>
<P>see. In respect to Angelfire, their processes were and are flawed to
the extent of</P>
<P>being far less than reasonably creditable. Ergo ignoring them is
prefrable at a </P>
<P>minimum if not advisable. Additionally thankfully and correctly the
FTC agrees </P>
<P>with same.</P>
<P><BR><BR><BR> </P>
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2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: John Palmer
<JPALMER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: May 23, 2010 4:58 PM <BR>To:
ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: Re: [ga] Dierker NOT Private <BR><BR>
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<DIV>"Jeff":</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>First of all, what does angelfire's non-compliance with someone's opinion
of</DIV>
<DIV>what should be in a DNS zone file have to do with the contents of a page
</DIV>
<DIV>put up by one of its customers - answer - NOTHING. Stop trying to
muddy</DIV>
<DIV>the waters of this issue.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Second, what does a disgruntled Angelfire customer who has a beef
with</DIV>
<DIV>Angelfire's AUP have to do with the content of a completely different
</DIV>
<DIV>customer's page (the one with the info of which I speak). Same thing -
</DIV>
<DIV>you are muddying the waters of the discussion by bringing in non-sense
</DIV>
<DIV>that has nothing to do with the identity issue:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>FOCUS ON THE ISSUE, "Jeff". </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Nuff saif about this AFAIC. If you and Hugh want to keep up this
discussion,</DIV>
<DIV>fine. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I stand by my original statement that identity verification for
constituency </DIV>
<DIV>membership is a fine idea. That should help mitigate the false-flag
nonsense</DIV>
<DIV>that ICANN (probably ICANN) is pulling here.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>John<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Jeffrey A. Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>John Palmer</A> ; <A
title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> ;
<A title=info@xxxxxxx href="mailto:info@xxxxxxx";>info@xxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 23, 2010 4:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] Dierker NOT Private</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>John and all,</P>
<P> </P>
<P> Indeed it is troubling that you have 'Issues" whatever they may be as
you are not too</P>
<P>specific or provide any emphrical evidence to same. Hopefully that
will be forthcoming?</P>
<P>In any event Angelfire's reputation as their DNS config clearly shows are in
question</P>
<P>technically speeking at least, see: <A
href="http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport?domain=angelfire.com&format=raw&loadresults=true&token=2541b0e492485e093546230e17377018";>http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport?domain=angelfire.com&format=raw&loadresults=true&token=2541b0e492485e093546230e17377018</A></P>
<P>for further information. Also seems that Angelfire has long been in
trouble with LEA's and</P>
<P>seemingly remains so, see: <A
href="http://www.counterpunch.org/angelfire.html";>http://www.counterpunch.org/angelfire.html</A> for
example. So</P>
<P>perhaps Mr. Palmer you can update your information to something a bit more
accurate</P>
<P>accordingly, and soon. >:) Further I fail too see what your
subject line has to do with</P>
<P>your remarks below as well... Care to elaborate more specifically
please? Thanks</P>
<P>in advance for your cooperation accordingly. >:)<BR><BR><BR></P>
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2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: John Palmer
<JPALMER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: May 23, 2010 3:58 PM <BR>To:
ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: [ga] Dierker NOT Private
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hugh:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This isnt a flame war. I have a legitimate concern
that there are agitators on this list</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>that are not who they say they are and who are
working against the interests of IDNO's. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Angelfire website raises legitimate concerns
about someone who has done everything</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>he can to obfuscate his identity. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If we do revamp this constituency, it will have no
credibility unless all of the cards are</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>layed out on the table in a transparent
way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>By the way, this is one of the mantras of your
buddy Baptista - transparency.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, Hugh - why are you opposed to
transparency? I don't think this is </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>small concern.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As I have said before, I have SERIOUS questions
about the identities and motives of</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>several of the folks here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B> <A title=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx";>Hugh Dierker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>John Palmer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 21, 2010 8:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Palmer NOT Private</DIV>
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<DIV>Mr. Palmer</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Please do not start to derail and obfiscate work being done here with
starting your own personal flaming wars. The identification process spoken of
is for membership in a constituency. It is not for this list. If you were not
so blinded by your obvious hate mongering and narrow personal vendettas you
would see that. You have already made it clear that you are driven my ego and
fear, and not to benefit anyone but yourself. Further attacks will not be
censored or banned but you will make yourself invisible by your childlike
behavior.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you continue down this road I will post all your private posts that
show just how obsessed you are. I write this offlist not as private but as to
keep it off list.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 5/20/10, John Palmer
<I><jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: John Palmer
<jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: Re: [ga] |Going forward
towards a Registrant's Constituency<BR>To: sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 12:07 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail><BR>I think that this is a FANTASTIC idea. I have strong
reason to beleive that we have dire need to verify the identity of at least one
person on this list (one who is a frequent poster). <BR>Seeing as how
there is a whole website that PROVES that his<BR>previous addresses were
nothing but empty lots, etc, I think<BR>that requiring proof of identity is
fantastic.<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>John<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From:
<<A
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>To:
<<A href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>Sent: Thursday,
May 20, 2010 1:45 PM<BR>Subject: [ga] |Going forward towards a Registrant's
Constituency<BR><BR><BR><BR>First, let's thank Joop for offering up the IDNO
charter for us to use as<BR>a basis for an RC charter.<BR><BR>Next, let's get
one piece of fundamental business out ofthe way. When i<BR>voted in the ICANN
2000 AtLarge election, it was only after my identity<BR>had been verified and a
letter had been sent to my physical address with<BR>my acct/password info for
voting day. In order for us to move forward on<BR>creating an RC we need to
VERIFY that the prospective membership is who<BR>they say they are.
Fortunately, there are many options available for us<BR>today. My preference
would be for a digital certificate. Does anyone have<BR>any problem with being
required to provide proof of one's identity in<BR>order to participate in a
Registrant's Constituency? If anyone does have a<BR>problem, the solution is
simple, they can form their own constituency of<BR>non-identities. I am willing
to put the work into an RC but only with<BR>other verified individuals. So,
who's willing to join me in this<BR>endeavour?<BR><BR>Sotiris
Sotiropoulos<BR><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<P><BR> </P>
<P>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over
294k members/stakeholders and growing, strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the
greatest freedom" -<BR> Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go
with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the accident of
glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P; the injury,
L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L
multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v.
Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir.
1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated
1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of<BR>Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good
standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Phone:
214-244-4827<BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup
LLA. - (Over 294k members/stakeholders and growing, strong!)<BR>"Obedience of
the law is the greatest freedom" -<BR> Abraham
Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what
is very<BR>often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the
probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends
upon whether B is less than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than
PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir.
1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated
1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of<BR>Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good
standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Phone:
214-244-4827<BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>
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