Re: [ga] Retraction from the list

[Thomas Baxter <baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx>]

What kind of stupido are you in any way? 

I looked over at the links for this websites and it doesnt list any complaints 
about anyone at all, it
displays the abuse addy for the domains that you selected. 

So not only are you Joes bitch but you are an embicil as well, looks like it 
from the mountains here

After looking over the patternistic postings from you and this hugh fellow, I 
think maybe still you 
are all paid ICANN persons who attack John because you know he would be 
affective in fighting
the ICANN theifery that is under ways right now. 

So to hugh and jeff -I just want to know one important point: does joe kiss you 
behind the ears each
time he goes to do you know what action? (hehehehe).

You have to be his bitches since no sane persons would post the non-sense and 
falsities like I see both of 
you posting.

So we have too more kooks - one is at no address he lists and claims he was in 
every important position in
the internet and the military - more jobs that some person can do in one whole 
life span, so we know he is a
liar.

The other one has a title called "forensic mentalist" which is in the same 
buckets as "psychic" and "remote viewer",
So hugh, do you know that wack -jobb  Ed Dames in the military, or perhaps you 
met him, jeff, since you have
employed in every job the us govmt has ever created - thats in your own words.

So we have a mister "I do all important jobs - so respect what things I talk 
about" and we have a "forensic mentalist" which
is the same as "ghostbuster", "remote viewer" and "numbers lady". You should 
all go on coast2coastam with george norey and
make millions selling cds and books.

Yah like either of you have any credibilities.  (NOT!!!!)

Thoms.

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From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx; 
ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx; joe Babtista 
<baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; icann-board@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx; gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 3:33:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Retraction from the list

 
John, Eric and all,
 
  I trimmed the "TO" qand "CC" list as for redundancy.
 
  What's interesting with american-webmasters.net is that there is still one 
outstanding
abuse complaint filed, see: 
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/abuse?domain=american-webmasters.net
and http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/abuse?domain=ADNS.NET
However their DNS is nearly clean, but ADNS.NET needs a bit of clean-up work,
see: 
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport?domain=adns.net&format=raw&loadresults=true&token=240178db88565ba914f7a0001af96019.
  
I can at this time only assume that the nature of the abuse complaints has 
likely but not surely, 
to do with online behavior, which seems to support Eric's conclusion as well as 
Dr. Joe's below.  
But of course other conclusions are possible. None the less I have seperately 
forwarded this to 
the proper and relevent legal authorities for perhaps in the future their 
review and investigation 
accordingly.



-----Original Message----- 
>From: John Palmer 
>Sent: May 8, 2010 10:14 AM 
>To: Hugh Dierker , "Jeffrey A. Williams" , Matthew Pemble , 
>denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx, rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx, joe 
>Babtista 
>Cc: jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx, roberto@xxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>Subject: Re: [ga] Retraction from the list 
>
> 
>
>I retract nothing. How dare you pretend that you can retract something said by 
>another person
>unless you are that persons representative.
> 
> 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Hugh Dierker 
>>To: Jeffrey A. Williams ; Matthew Pemble ; denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx ; 
>>ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx ; John Palmer ; joe Babtista 
>>Cc: jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx ; roberto@xxxxxxxxx ; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 8:48 AM
>>Subject: [ga] Retraction from the list
>>
>>
>>This is a formal retraction of all matters written in this previous post by 
>>John Palmer.  This is an open list and we do not have any editing rights.  
>>This is not a republication but a retraction.
>> 
>>Mr. Palmer,  
>> 
>>I suppose you have a normal side to you. I am sure I could find something to 
>>like about you. But I personally know Jeff. I personally knew his mother who 
>>just recently passed away. I have spoken with his sister and his brother on 
>>matters of family and finance.  We all enjoy the troll and fake person games 
>>but you make yourself the fool with this post. I have papers on file with at 
>>least one US gov. Agency where I represent the citizen named Jeff Williams, 
>>most is confidentlal but I know as a fact that Mr. Williams pays more than 
>>his share of taxes.
>> 
>>We must always remember that virtual is the world from which our reference 
>>for the Internet comes from, and not the other way around. The biggest 
>>problem with Mr. Palmer's post here is that it totally destroys his 
>>credibility, in matters of right and wrong and reality. 
>> 
>>Mr. Palmer -- Defamation includes both Slander(spoken) and Libel(written) 
>>false statements about another that tend to damage their reputation. When a 
>>persons livilihood or profession is attacked in the defamation then it is 
>>what is called per se. In most cases the libel is not really so because of a 
>>good faith belief in the truth of the matter stated and it can be argued. In 
>>this case you have no such defense. I suggest you shut up.
>>
>>--- On Fri, 5/7/10, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Subject: Jeffrey A Williams and Joe Baptista are one and the same (was Re: 
>>>[ga] RE: Removal from GA list)
>>>To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Matthew Pemble" 
>>><matthew@xxxxxxxxxx>, denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 
>>>rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx
>>>Cc: jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx, roberto@xxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 9:29 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> >>>
>>>Joe, you know there is a rule against posting under a different name while 
>>>you are under suspension on the GA list.
>>> 
>>>Joe, I know that "Jeffrey" is just you posting under a different name. I 
>>>spent most of the day online researching "Jeffrey Williams"
>>>and am convinced of that now, after my research.
>>> 
>>>You have been using him as your straight man for quite a number of years now 
>>>- how impressive that you've been able
>>>to keep up this real complicated act for all of these years - kudos to you.
>>> 
>>>Now your gig is up.  
>>> 
>>>To the ICANN moderators: Jeffrey A. Williams is in all likelyhood Joe 
>>>Baptista posting under a different name.
>>>Take whatever actions you willl regarding this matter.
>>> 
>>>Cheers,
>>>John
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: Jeffrey A. Williams 
>>>>To: Matthew Pemble ; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> GA ; denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx ; 
>>>>ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx 
>>>>Cc: jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx ; roberto@xxxxxxxxx 
>>>>Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 1:37 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [ga] RE: Removal from GA list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Matthew and all,
>>>> 
>>>>  Good points all!  Further given that ICANN's GNSO approved the rules by 
>>>> which the GA is loosely
>>>>administered by, I for one could not find a single rule that Dr. Joe 
>>>>violated, and at a minimum
>>>>Mr. Palmers discourse was similar in discourse manner, as if that really is 
>>>>relevant or 
>>>>matters.  
>>>> 
>>>>  Frank was/is probably stepping in to mediate as his position provides 
>>>> for.  As to why and/or
>>>>whom requested such I do not know and believe in the interest of 
>>>>transparency should
>>>>be revealed specifically.
>>>> 
>>>>  Finnaly I feel abused in this process as well as my rights to publically 
>>>> reading Dr. Joes
>>>>remarks has been abruptly denied me by person(s) unknown and for reasons 
>>>>that are
>>>>not in keeping with the GA rules.  Therefore again I kindly but strongly 
>>>>request that
>>>>Dr. Joe be reinstated forthwith and that he be publically appologized to 
>>>>for such a 
>>>>improper suspension.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message----- 
>>>>>From: Matthew Pemble 
>>>>>Sent: May 7, 2010 2:18 AM 
>>>>>To: "ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> GA" 
>>>>>Subject: Re: [ga] RE: Removal from GA list 
>>>>>
>>>>>Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>>I would just like to point out, in the interests of fairness, that, after 
>>>>>some 13 hours (some 6 or so of which were working hours in California) and 
>>>>>4 on-list responses from the ICANN ombudsman, I have not received any 
>>>>>public or private response to my email regarding Joe's suspension 
>>>>>apparently due to my email.
>>>>>
>>>>>ICANN host this list therefore, under the law as it applies to me, they do 
>>>>>have the right (in fact it is trivial to argue, the responsibility) to 
>>>>>censor inappropriate content.  I appreciate this is different for those of 
>>>>>you with First Amendment rights under the US Constitution :), if you 
>>>>>assume that ICANN is a government agent (and First Amendment case law 
>>>>>would suggest that it counts as one for that purpose.)  However, with that 
>>>>>comes the responsibility to explain your public actions.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am increasingly puzzled - especially by Frank's interventions.  Would 
>>>>>ICANN please either suspend me (and explain what rule or norm I breached) 
>>>>>and reinstate Joe, or correct the explicit statement that Joe was 
>>>>>suspended because of my email.  
>>>>>
>>>>>If I do receive a private email from ICANN explaining or correcting their 
>>>>>position, I will send an email to the list stating that such has been 
>>>>>received.
>>>>>
>>>>>Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>>-- 
>>>>>Matthew Pemble
>>>>>Technical Director, Idrach Ltd
>>>>>
>>>>>Mobile: +44 (0) 7595 652175
>>>>>Office: + 44 (0) 1324 820690
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>Regards,
>>
>>Jeffrey A. Williams
>>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 294k members/stakeholders and growing, 
>>strong!)
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