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Re: [ga] Retraction from the list
- To: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx, joe Babtista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, icann-board@xxxxxxxxx
- Subject: Re: [ga] Retraction from the list
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:33:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>John, Eric and all,</P>
<P> </P>
<P> I trimmed the "TO" qand "CC" list as for redundancy.</P>
<P> </P>
<P> What's interesting with american-webmasters.net is that there is
still one outstanding</P>
<P>abuse complaint filed, see: <A
href="http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/abuse?domain=american-webmasters.net";>http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/abuse?domain=american-webmasters.net</A></P>
<P>and <A
href="http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/abuse?domain=ADNS.NET";>http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/abuse?domain=ADNS.NET</A></P>
<P>However their DNS is nearly clean, but ADNS.NET needs a bit of clean-up
work,</P>
<P>see: </P>
<P><A
href="http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport?domain=adns.net&format=raw&loadresults=true&token=240178db88565ba914f7a0001af96019";>http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport?domain=adns.net&format=raw&loadresults=true&token=240178db88565ba914f7a0001af96019</A>.
</P>
<P>I can at this time only assume that the nature of the abuse complaints has
likely but not surely, </P>
<P>to do with online behavior, which seems to support Eric's conclusion as well
as Dr. Joe's below. </P>
<P>But of course other conclusions are possible. None the less I have
seperately forwarded this to </P>
<P>the proper and relevent legal authorities for perhaps in the future
their review and investigation </P>
<P>accordingly.<BR><BR><BR></P>
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2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: John Palmer
<JPALMER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: May 8, 2010 10:14 AM <BR>To: Hugh
Dierker <HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx>, "Jeffrey A. Williams"
<JWKCKID1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Matthew Pemble <MATTHEW@xxxxxxxxxx>,
denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx, rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx, joe
Babtista <BAPTISTA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx, roberto@xxxxxxxxx,
ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: Re: [ga] Retraction from the list <BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I retract nothing. How dare you pretend that you
can retract something said by another person</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>unless you are that persons
representative.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B> <A title=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx";>Hugh Dierker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Jeffrey A. Williams</A> ; <A
title=matthew@xxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:matthew@xxxxxxxxxx";>Matthew Pemble</A> ;
<A title=denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx";>denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx";>rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>John Palmer</A> ; <A
title=baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>joe
Babtista</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx";>jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=roberto@xxxxxxxxx href="mailto:roberto@xxxxxxxxx";>roberto@xxxxxxxxx</A> ;
<A title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 08, 2010 8:48 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [ga] Retraction from the
list</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>This is a formal retraction of all matters written in this
previous post by John Palmer. This is an open list and we do not have any
editing rights. This is not a republication but a
retraction.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Mr. Palmer, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I suppose you have a normal side to you. I am sure I could find something
to like about you. But I personally know Jeff. I personally knew his mother who
just recently passed away. I have spoken with his sister and his brother on
matters of family and finance. We all enjoy the troll and fake person
games but you make yourself the fool with this post. I have papers on file with
at least one US gov. Agency where I represent the citizen named Jeff Williams,
most is confidentlal but I know as a fact that Mr. Williams pays more than his
share of taxes.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We must always remember that virtual is the world from which our reference
for the Internet comes from, and not the other way around. The biggest problem
with Mr. Palmer's post here is that it totally destroys his credibility, in
matters of right and wrong and reality. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Mr. Palmer -- Defamation includes both Slander(spoken) and Libel(written)
false statements about another that tend to damage their reputation. When a
persons livilihood or profession is attacked in the defamation then it is what
is called per se. In most cases the libel is not really so because of a good
faith belief in the truth of the matter stated and it can be argued. In this
case you have no such defense. I suggest you shut up.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri,
5/7/10, John Palmer <I><jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: John Palmer
<jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: Jeffrey A Williams and Joe
Baptista are one and the same (was Re: [ga] RE: Removal from GA list)<BR>To:
"Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Matthew Pemble"
<matthew@xxxxxxxxxx>, denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx<BR>Cc: jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx, roberto@xxxxxxxxx,
ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 9:29 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Joe, you know there is a rule against posting under a different name while
you are under suspension on the GA list.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Joe, I know that "Jeffrey" is just you posting under a different
name. I spent most of the day online researching "Jeffrey Williams"</DIV>
<DIV>and am convinced of that now, after my research.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You have been using him as your straight man for quite a number of years
now - how impressive that you've been able</DIV>
<DIV>to keep up this real complicated act for all of these years - kudos to
you.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now your gig is up. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>To the ICANN moderators: Jeffrey A. Williams is in all likelyhood Joe
Baptista posting under a different name.</DIV>
<DIV>Take whatever actions you willl regarding this matter.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Jeffrey A.
Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=matthew@xxxxxxxxxx
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=matthew@xxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:matthew@xxxxxxxxxx";>Matthew
Pemble</A> ; <A title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> GA"
target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>
GA">ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> GA</A> ; <A title=denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx";>denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx";>rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx";>jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=roberto@xxxxxxxxx
href="http://us.mc529.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=roberto@xxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:roberto@xxxxxxxxx";>roberto@xxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 07, 2010 1:37 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] RE: Removal from GA
list</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Matthew and all,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Good points all! Further given that ICANN's GNSO approved the
rules by which the GA is loosely</DIV>
<DIV>administered by, I for one could not find a single rule that Dr. Joe
violated, and at a minimum</DIV>
<DIV>Mr. Palmers discourse was similar in discourse manner, as if that really
is relevant or </DIV>
<DIV>matters. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Frank was/is probably stepping in to mediate as his position
provides for. As to why and/or</DIV>
<DIV>whom requested such I do not know and believe in the interest of
transparency should</DIV>
<DIV>be revealed specifically.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Finnaly I feel abused in this process as well as my rights to
publically reading Dr. Joes</DIV>
<DIV>remarks has been abruptly denied me by person(s) unknown and for reasons
that are</DIV>
<DIV>not in keeping with the GA rules. Therefore again I kindly but
strongly request that</DIV>
<DIV>Dr. Joe be reinstated forthwith and that he be publically appologized to
for such a </DIV>
<DIV>improper suspension.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Matthew Pemble <BR>Sent: May 7, 2010
2:18 AM <BR>To: "ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> GA" <BR>Subject: Re: [ga] RE:
Removal from GA list <BR><BR>Folks,<BR><BR>I would just like to point out, in
the interests of fairness, that, after some 13 hours (some 6 or so of which
were working hours in California) and 4 on-list responses from the ICANN
ombudsman, I have not received any public or private response to my email
regarding Joe's suspension apparently due to my email.<BR><BR>ICANN host this
list therefore, under the law as it applies to me, they do have the right (in
fact it is trivial to argue, the responsibility) to censor inappropriate
content. I appreciate this is different for those of you with First
Amendment rights under the US Constitution :), if you assume that ICANN is a
government agent (and First Amendment case law would suggest that it counts as
one for that purpose.) However, with that comes the responsibility to
explain your public actions.<BR><BR>I am increasingly puzzled - especially by
Frank's interventions. Would ICANN please either suspend me (and explain
what rule or norm I breached) and reinstate Joe, or correct the explicit
statement that Joe was suspended because of my email. <BR><BR>If I do
receive a private email from ICANN explaining or correcting their position, I
will send an email to the list stating that such has been
received.<BR><BR>Matthew<BR><BR>-- <BR>Matthew Pemble<BR>Technical Director,
Idrach Ltd<BR><BR>Mobile: +44 (0) 7595 652175<BR>Office: + 44 (0) 1324
820690<BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey
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by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll
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