Re: [ga] Retraction from the list

["John Palmer" <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I retract nothing. How dare you pretend that you can retract something said by 
another person
unless you are that persons representative.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hugh Dierker 
  To: Jeffrey A. Williams ; Matthew Pemble ; denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx ; 
ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx ; John Palmer ; joe Babtista 
  Cc: jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx ; roberto@xxxxxxxxx ; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 8:48 AM
  Subject: [ga] Retraction from the list


        This is a formal retraction of all matters written in this previous 
post by John Palmer.  This is an open list and we do not have any editing 
rights.  This is not a republication but a retraction.

        Mr. Palmer,  

        I suppose you have a normal side to you. I am sure I could find 
something to like about you. But I personally know Jeff. I personally knew his 
mother who just recently passed away. I have spoken with his sister and his 
brother on matters of family and finance.  We all enjoy the troll and fake 
person games but you make yourself the fool with this post. I have papers on 
file with at least one US gov. Agency where I represent the citizen named Jeff 
Williams, most is confidentlal but I know as a fact that Mr. Williams pays more 
than his share of taxes.

        We must always remember that virtual is the world from which our 
reference for the Internet comes from, and not the other way around. The 
biggest problem with Mr. Palmer's post here is that it totally destroys his 
credibility, in matters of right and wrong and reality. 

        Mr. Palmer -- Defamation includes both Slander(spoken) and 
Libel(written) false statements about another that tend to damage their 
reputation. When a persons livilihood or profession is attacked in the 
defamation then it is what is called per se. In most cases the libel is not 
really so because of a good faith belief in the truth of the matter stated and 
it can be argued. In this case you have no such defense. I suggest you shut up.

        --- On Fri, 5/7/10, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


          From: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          Subject: Jeffrey A Williams and Joe Baptista are one and the same 
(was Re: [ga] RE: Removal from GA list)
          To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Matthew Pemble" 
<matthew@xxxxxxxxxx>, denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 
rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx
          Cc: jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx, roberto@xxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
          Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 9:29 PM


           
          Joe, you know there is a rule against posting under a different name 
while you are under suspension on the GA list.

          Joe, I know that "Jeffrey" is just you posting under a different 
name. I spent most of the day online researching "Jeffrey Williams"
          and am convinced of that now, after my research.

          You have been using him as your straight man for quite a number of 
years now - how impressive that you've been able
          to keep up this real complicated act for all of these years - kudos 
to you.

          Now your gig is up.  

          To the ICANN moderators: Jeffrey A. Williams is in all likelyhood Joe 
Baptista posting under a different name.
          Take whatever actions you willl regarding this matter.

          Cheers,
          John
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Jeffrey A. Williams 
            To: Matthew Pemble ; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> GA ; 
denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx ; ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx 
            Cc: jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx ; roberto@xxxxxxxxx 
            Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 1:37 PM
            Subject: Re: [ga] RE: Removal from GA list


            Matthew and all,

              Good points all!  Further given that ICANN's GNSO approved the 
rules by which the GA is loosely
            administered by, I for one could not find a single rule that Dr. 
Joe violated, and at a minimum
            Mr. Palmers discourse was similar in discourse manner, as if that 
really is relevant or 
            matters.  

              Frank was/is probably stepping in to mediate as his position 
provides for.  As to why and/or
            whom requested such I do not know and believe in the interest of 
transparency should
            be revealed specifically.

              Finnaly I feel abused in this process as well as my rights to 
publically reading Dr. Joes
            remarks has been abruptly denied me by person(s) unknown and for 
reasons that are
            not in keeping with the GA rules.  Therefore again I kindly but 
strongly request that
            Dr. Joe be reinstated forthwith and that he be publically 
appologized to for such a 
            improper suspension.



              -----Original Message----- 
              From: Matthew Pemble 
              Sent: May 7, 2010 2:18 AM 
              To: "ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> GA" 
              Subject: Re: [ga] RE: Removal from GA list 

              Folks,

              I would just like to point out, in the interests of fairness, 
that, after some 13 hours (some 6 or so of which were working hours in 
California) and 4 on-list responses from the ICANN ombudsman, I have not 
received any public or private response to my email regarding Joe's suspension 
apparently due to my email.

              ICANN host this list therefore, under the law as it applies to 
me, they do have the right (in fact it is trivial to argue, the responsibility) 
to censor inappropriate content.  I appreciate this is different for those of 
you with First Amendment rights under the US Constitution :), if you assume 
that ICANN is a government agent (and First Amendment case law would suggest 
that it counts as one for that purpose.)  However, with that comes the 
responsibility to explain your public actions.

              I am increasingly puzzled - especially by Frank's interventions.  
Would ICANN please either suspend me (and explain what rule or norm I breached) 
and reinstate Joe, or correct the explicit statement that Joe was suspended 
because of my email.  

              If I do receive a private email from ICANN explaining or 
correcting their position, I will send an email to the list stating that such 
has been received.

              Matthew

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