[ga] Re: Joe Baptista - When will you make amends for what you have done to HARM TLD holders? (was Re: [ga] John Palmer - it is time to come to account)

[Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

John - answer the question .. don't give us more Internet stalker
psychobabble.

http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03816.html

What did my TLD holders buy .. and what has been done to safeguard their
investment. You guys collected the money. Give us some answers. To point the
finger at me is as disingenuous as pointing the finger at ICANN and claiming
they stole TLDs.

It is also disingenuous to call people who provide supporting evidence
co-conspirators. Are you calling Martijn Burger a co-conspirator. Or are you
calling the Principle of the Gymnasium Querford a co-conspirator.

Here is some more supporting evidence your part of a scam and that you guys
stole TLDs. Check it out ... http://bit.ly/bSeU4V and
http://bit.ly/bO3zkM... is the person who wrote these emails another
co-conspirator in your
books John?

The only conspirators I see here are the scammers at the TLDA
http://bit.ly/98amp7 who claim to represent TLD holders and don't.

cheers
joe baptista

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:47 PM, John Palmer <
jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
> Here is what has been done to safeguard "your" TLD holders:
>
> You have been exposed for the fraud and psychopath that you are. The matter
> in Europe has been investigated
> and the result is here:
>
> http://inaic.com/index.php?p=internet-terror
>
> You did not provide evidence of any sort, just your own writings and the
> writings of what appears to be a co-conspirator in
> your attempt to extort an ownership stake in UNIDT from the original owners
> (see the link above).  I understand that
> (not sure on this one) your cohort Martijn Burger may have been involved in
> this as well - this is still under
> investigation by INAIC and the authorities at Public-Root.com and we will
> know, perhaps soon, the involvment (or
> perhaps lack of) of Mr. Burger  in that offense.
>
> As a stakeholder in the Inclusive Namespace, one who has an on-going
> registry business into which over US$100k has
> been invested,  I witnessed the complete destruction of the best (and
> perhaps last) opportunity for INS TLD holders to
> gain the visibility in the namespace that would propel the INS into the
> mainstream.
>
> That complete destruction was caused by you, Mr. Baptista. When you
> couldn't get Marty van Veluw to bow to your extortion
> attempts, you did exactly as you claimed you would and you destroyed the
> effort and along with it, probably the only
> remaining hope for the INS.
>
> After this mess, with the whole INS world in smoking ruins, ICANN was able
> to get the traction needed and launched
> a very clever plot to AGREE that many TLDs could be added to the root,
> except that they would get to decide which
> ones and would create a 1,000,000 Leah Gallegos's (whose .BIZ TLD they
> stole) by simply stealing what already
> exists, emptying out its registrants and selling that stolen property to
> whomever will pay them their $185K and $0.20 per
> registration-year. See here for what ICANN did to this poor hardworking
> woman:
>
>
> http://www.tldainc.org/news/98-arnis-alamo-anti-competitive-icann-and-dot-biz.html
>
> Now, all of you a of
> TLDs, but only if they get to create them and still without any respect for
> the property rights of the current holders of
> those TLDs.
>
> To be frank with all of you, unless someone in the INS has deep pockets,
> ICANN will get away with it and we may
> as well just go home.
>
> As an officer of the TLDA, and an advocate of TLD holder's rights, (being a
> TLD holder myself), when I saw what
> Joe did in 2005, I immediatly determined that, whether or not he was a
> psychotic, a paid ICANN shill, or whatever,
> he was NO freind of INS TLD holders. He single-handedly destroyed the only
> major chance that the INS had to
> go mainstream and thus enabled ICANN to complete its conquest of the
> namespace and its destruction of a free
> industry by acts of wholesale theft of TLDs.
>
> In early 2007, Joe resurfaced and put on his air of authority, claiming
> that he had been hired by some TLD holders
> to be their "representative" and began pretending to have some right or
> authority over the TLDA. At that point,
> the TLDA had been dormant for several years, no one wanting to make any
> efforts after the 2005 debacle.
>
> As the last elected chairperson of the TLDA, I challenged him publically to
> stop claiming that he spoke for, or had
> any authority in the TLDA. As a matter of fact, Joe was never a member of
> the TLDA officially - he CHOSE
> not to join.
>
> A big battle ensued and I was called a villan by people, including at
> times, Karl Peters, one oa of
> TLDs, but only if they get to create them and still without any respect for
> the property rights of the current holders of
> those TLDs.
>
> To be frank with all of you, unless someone in the INS has deep pockets,
> ICANN will get away with it and we may
> as well just go home.
>
> As an officer of the TLDA, and an advocate of TLD holder's rights, (being a
> TLD holder myself), when I saw what
> Joe did in 2005, I immediatly determined that, whether or not he was a
> psychotic, a paid ICANN shill, or whatever,
> he was NO freind of INS TLD holders. He single-handedly destroyed the only
> major chance that the INS had to
> go mainstream and thus enabled ICANN to complete its conquest of the
> namespace and its destruction of a free
> industry by acts of wholesale theft of TLDs.
>
> In early 2007, Joe resurfaced and put on his air of authority, claiming
> that he had been hired by some TLD holders
> to be their "representative" and began pretending to have some right or
> authority over the TLDA. At that point,
> the TLDA had been dormant for several years, no one wanting to make any
> efforts after the 2005 debacle.
>
> As the last elected chairperson of the TLDA, I challenged him publically to
> stop claiming that he spoke for, or had
> any authority in the TLDA. As a matter of fact, Joe was never a member of
> the TLDA officially - he CHOSE
> not to join.
>
> A big battle ensued and I was called a villan by people, including at
> times, Karl Peters, one of our board members.
> I tried to get the other board members to pass a resolution condemning Joe
> for the great harm he did to our
> industry in 2005, but they sided with Joe.
>
> So, the battle raged. TLDA was restarted by Karl Peters and I eventually
> resigned (in disgust that they couldn't
> see the obvious things I saw about Joe's destructiveness). I tried to
> convince them that we needed to distance
> ourselves from him and that there was a minute,
> camel-through-the-eye-of-a-needle chance that we could
> maybe, resurrect the INS prospects.
>
> I eventually re-joined the TLDA. By then, Joe had insulted and abused
> everyone on the lists and eventually
> called Karl Peters, the chairperson at the time, a "welfare bum" and
> severely insulting his wife and family and
> then finally the other tossed Joe off the list for good.
>
> By then, it was too late. ICANN was in full theft-mode. We had wasted what
> little time we had left and ICANN
> was able to create their theft policy with no one to stop them. While it is
> still 12 - 18 months from execution, its
> a done deal because everyone else has given up and no one has any money.
>
> So, Joe, you ask what I say to the TLD holders who have been hurt?
>
> I say that I warned them all about you after what damage YOU did to them in
> 2005. I warned people over
> and over again.
>
> I think YOU need to answer the question, Joe: What have YOU done to help
> TLD holders in the INS?
>
> The answer is that you have done everything you could possibly do to
> destroy any hopes that they would ever
> be successful. You are brilliant at DESTROYING and I cannot find any
> evidence that you have ever BUILT
> anything in your life.
>
> I've answered the question - I've done quite alot for the INS and have been
> doing so since 1995.
>
> You need to answer for what you've done TO HARM THE INS.  You are the one
> who has alot
> of explaining to do buddy, not me.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Baptista
> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> GA
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:37 PM
> Subject: [ga] John Palmer - it is time to come to account
>
>
> and what a perfect place for this to happen but on the GA. An open forum.
>
> Mr. Palmer - I am about to ask you a question on behalf of my TLD holders
> in your capacity as a root operator for the Public-dash-Root a.k.a. INAIC.
> And more generally in your capacity as a director of the TLDA. I understand
> this is a trade organization for TLD holders.
>
> The TLDA has investigated what happened in the Netherlands. The official
> record of events as recorded by the TLDA has been posted.
>
> Now considering the evidence provided what has been done to safe guard my
> TLD holders interests in their TLDs? I'm not the issue here John. But that
> question is the only question you need answer. But you won't.
>
> John - I'm with Hugh on this. The hundreds of people who purchased into the
> TLDA / INAIC scam want a solution. Not diversionary Joe Baptista tactics.
> You are a director of the TLDA. You are also an insider of the INAIC /
> Public-dash-Root / Worldroot ... etc. ... my golly Miss Molly what do you
> have to say to my TLD holders? What exactly did they buy from you guys when
> they purchased a TLD. Was it just a lot of hot air?
>
> Time to come to account ..
>
> regards
> joe baptista
>



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Joe Baptista

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