RE: [ga] Open Source Voting Software Concept Released

["Karl E. Peters" <tlda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Eric, (Hugh)
     I do not have a sufficiently foul mouth to appropriately answer
your unfounded charges and mud-slinging. I will deal with your points
for the others witnessing here, however. First of all, the TLDA, Inc.
adopted the rules for membership now in use b in accordance with our
by-laws by a vote of the Board of directors, a link to the minutes from
the meeting that approved the latest update to our policy is below:

http://www.tldainc.org/corporate-documents/57-minutes/89-minutes-04-june-2009.html

     The entire document regarding membership requirements, rights and
responsibilities is at this link:

http://www.tldainc.org/membership-guidelines-and-regulations.html

     These are the facts with regard to the TLDA, Inc. Now, please tell
us what document of ICANN allows you to self-extend your term as leader
for the GA far beyond your elected term? Show us the archives for that
decision, or did it just kind of happen...?

Karl E. Peters

E-Mail: karl.peters@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Tel.: (843) 610-2608 (Cel.)
Tel.: (912) 638-1638 (Tel.)



> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [ga] Open Source Voting Software Concept Released
> From: Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sun, October 25, 2009 8:47 pm
> To: "Karl E. Peters" <karl.peters@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx, Glen@xxxxxxxxx, 
> governance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx,  "Jeffrey A. Williams"
> <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
> How completely insincere and false.
> The TLDA denies membership based upon nonpublished data. Otherwise you would 
> have just told us what it is. You in fact do have a voting system. But I 
> asure you that you do not own any regulations. What is the link to this 
> voting and by-laws and when were they adopted by members?
>  
> Clearly in the case of the TLDA and the NCUC the emphasis is on the club 
> status and not open membership with voting rights.
> 
> --- On Sun, 10/25/09, Karl E. Peters <tlda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Karl E. Peters <tlda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: [ga] Open Source Voting Software Concept Released
> To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx, Glen@xxxxxxxxx, 
> governance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jeffrey A. Williams" 
> <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 4:31 PM
> 
> 
> FYI, The TLDA does in fact have its own voting system, that unlike the
> US Government, requires real people who meet real criteria set forth in
> the By-Laws and published voting regulations to cast votes for any
> measure taken up. Those who failed, and continue to fail, to meet or try
> to meet the required criteria and procedure will naturally be denied a
> vote. The TLDA was not set up as a constituency, but rather more of a
> trade association. It seems a apple is being criticized for not being a
> very good orange. While you may certainly do that, it is without real
> merit or value.
> 
> Karl E. Peters
> 
> E-Mail: tlda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Tel.: (843) 610-2608 (Cel.)
> Tel.: (912) 638-1638 (Tel.)
> 
> 
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Open Source Voting Software Concept Released
> > From: Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Sun, October 25, 2009 6:23 pm
> > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx, Glen@xxxxxxxxx,       
> > governance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > 
> > 
> > Jeff,
> >  
> > The issue is remarkably well timed however the articles are farcical.
> > If we take what the following are doing we can see that voting by the 
> > ultimate stakeholders is still a long ways off -- not for logistical, 
> > logical or even legacal reasons but because of the politics of the players;
> >  
> > Danny Younger - over at the start up work for a "registrants goup" no 
> > direct voting is on the table-- worries of capture and control.
> > Paul Lehto - over at the IGF bringing a hailstorm of reasons why voting is 
> > terrible and can only be done right or not at all.
> > Denise Michels -- here and at the ALAC -- "we can neither provide 
> > mechanisms nor endorse any process".
> > TLDA -- That mess has gone completely south for resistance to open voting 
> > amoung "allowable members". Which brings us to civil society and Internet 
> > governance,,,,,
> > UN-ISOC-IGF -- Requires a "suitable" "cadre"???
> > NCUC - Is most notable with the Muellerites denying membership and voting 
> > rights to any that do not cow tow to the Ivory tower benevelont 
> > dictatorship of those with foundation funding that is contigent on no 
> > common people being allowed to participate.
> >  
> > The very sad and complete truth that it is the societal stakeholders that 
> > are blocking direct dotcommoner representation in Internet 
> > governance, reveals the direct power struggle by egomaniac 
> > wantabeees clawing their way to funding and publication rights at the 
> > expense of representation. I know what is going on and can route around it 
> > while the Nartens continue to herd the cats in such a way to avoid 
> > consensus and the establishment of voting rights. But I worry for my 
> > children.
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 10/25/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [ga] Open Source Voting Software Concept Released
> > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Cc: rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx, ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx, Glen@xxxxxxxxx, 
> > governance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 12:47 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> >   Can ICANN still further afford to ignore?  Me thinks not for long...
> > 
> > "Wired is reporting that the Open Source Digital
> > Voting Foundation has announced the first release of 
> > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/open-sourceLinux- and Ruby-based 
> > election management software. This software 
> > should compete in the same realm as Election Systems & Software, as well as
> > Diebold/Premiere for use by County registrars. Mitch Kapor founder of
> > Lotus 1-2-3 and Dean Logan, Registrar for Los Angeles County, and Debra
> > Bowen, California Secretary of State, all took part in a formal
> > announcement ceremony. The http://osdv.org/aboutOSDV is working with 
> > multiple jurisdictions, activists, developers and other organizations 
> > to bring together 'the best and brightest in technology and policy' 
> > to create 'guidelines and specifications for high assurance digital voting
> > services.' The announcement was made as part of the OSDV 
> > http://www.trustthevote.org/
> > Trust the Vote project, where open source tools are to be used to create a
> > certifiable and sustainable open source voting system."
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 294k members/stakeholders strong!)
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