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Re: [ga] List censorship and publications Emergency Provisions

  • To: Elisabeth Porteneuve <elisabeth.porteneuve@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [ga] List censorship and publications Emergency Provisions
  • From: Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:40:26 -0700 (PDT)

In that the ICANN staff has taken over the control of the publication of the GA 
list the following provisions will be not enforced until further notice:
1. No posting limits
2. No requirements of On topic
3. No and I mean no content monitoring
4. Cross posting must be encouraged in order to assure accuracy and more 
important, timeliness.
These actions must be taken in that we now have complete proof that ICANN is 
censoring and republishing the posts made to this list.  We cannot be 
responsible for publications made by another. All posts made hereafter must be 
considered as ""submitted" to Kent Crispin for publication. Monitors here and 
the chair cannot endorse or accept what ICANN through their agent Kent Crispin 
publishes and perhaps more important what he does not.
For a full legal explanation of these actions please refer to Jones & Day 
public opinions on the practice of monitoring and censoring lists.  Pursuant to 
those published opines we relinquish all publication rights to ICANN.

--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] List censorship and publications
To: "Elisabeth Porteneuve" <elisabeth.porteneuve@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, "GA" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Jeff 
Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "George Kirikos" <gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx>, 
"ICANN Gen. Council" <general-counsel@xxxxxxxxx>, "Rod Beckstrom" 
<rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx>, "Avri Doria" <avri@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 8:42 AM

ok folks - watch as the bullshit and excuses fly.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Elisabeth Porteneuve 
<elisabeth.porteneuve@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


greeting to you to elisabeth - long time no tango.

I think I understand what Eric/Hugh says, and recall explanation given to me by 
Kent Krispin a couple (5?) of years ago.

ok - she's getting us ready for the bull.

There is no censorship, but very inconvenient rule, that GA archives do not 
update immediately, but a couple of hours later (2 or 4, do not remember).

No - there is active censorship as per the chairs original explanation. This is 
an old trick used by the BWG to keep decent at bay without the decenter knowing 
he was being censored. It is a lot of work to do and if the chair, myself and 
other are being subjected to this very costly censor - we'll it's a clear 
indication we have something to say a minority does not want to be heard.

The way it works is that a group of people are on an insiders list. This is a 
list of people who communicate with and receive communications from the 
censored party. Another list contains all the people who will not see the 
censored parties posts - the majority. Jaap is an example of a person on the 
list who can communicate and receive the censored parties communications.

A game is played against the censored parties in which certain messages are 
posted and certain messages are not. Richard Sexton knows best how to explain 
the workings and mechanics of this scheme. I have already conducted an audit 
and have verified Hugh concerns are valid.

Look on attached PDF with archives as at 24sep09 11:58 Paris local time. I 
already received Jaap's message (quoted below), whilst his message does not 
show yet in archives.

blah blah blah.

We know which list your on Elisabeth.

and more blah blah

I do not know why Kent did it, neither his explanation why, it was very 
inconvenient for me at that time and still is. I prefer much more read archives 
(messages recorded in chronological order), than my mailbox (do not necessary 
have time to do it live, furthermore at the end point it may happen the order 
is not chronological, depending on SMTP and firewall's rules).

blah blah blah.

joe baptista

Kind regards,
Elisabeth Porteneuve

----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Dierker
To: GA ; joe Babtista ; Jeff Williams ; George Kirikos ; ICANN Gen. Council ; 
Rod Beckstrom ; Avri Doria
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:32 AM
Subject: [ga] List censorship and publications 

Please take notice that on todays GA mailing list I posted 4 posts. All are 
archived but none were published.

It is clear that the manager of this list is in the publishing business and all 
rights and obligations should attach thereto. Including liabilities and 

If I am wrong on this assessment I stand ameniable to retraction.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaap Akkerhuis" <jaap@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "GA" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "joe Babtista" <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Jeff 
Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "George Kirikos" <gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx>; 
"ICANN Gen. Council" <general-counsel@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rod Beckstrom" 
<rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx>; "Avri Doria" <avri@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] List censorship and publications

  Please take notice that on todays GA mailing list I posted 4
  posts. All are archived but none were published.

I see all your posts all the time. I advice you to check your spam


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