Re: [ga] List rules

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

Very nice sentiment indeed. A very long time ago some folks took a good hard 
look at this and decided that these concepts were sacrosanct as it came to 
inviduals versus their government. Thank God for that.
However as everyone knows, clearly there are protocals to follow for 
constructive civil discourse which is intended to lead to societal benefit. 
What the boundaries and balances are in each arena requires constant vigilance 
and citizen committment to protecting rights while providing an appropriate 
forum.
I would hope that the people on this list would take the time to constructively 
contribute to our rules rather than bash them or throw around useless hyperbole.
Thanks to all for engaging in this important discussion and revelation of the 
issues.


--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] List rules
To: "Paul Lehto" <lehto.paul@xxxxxxxxx>, "icann legal" <jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx>, 
"Dr. Joe Baptista" <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "ACLU Steve Shapiro, ACLU" 
<aclu@xxxxxxxx>, "ICANN Admin supp. Manager Karen Lettner" 
<karen.lettner@xxxxxxxxx>, "icann board" <icann-board@xxxxxxxxx>, "ICANN Brad 
White" <brad.white@xxxxxxxxx>, "ICANN Dan Halloran" <halloran@xxxxxxxxx>, 
"ICANN Janis Karklins" <janis.karklins@xxxxxxxxx>, "ICANN Kim Davies" 
<kim.davies@xxxxxxxxx>, "ICANN Marc Salvatierra" <marc.salvatierra@xxxxxxxxx>, 
"ICANN Marilyn Vernon" <marilyn.vernon@xxxxxxxxx>, "ICANN Patrick Jones" 
<patrick.jones@xxxxxxxxx>, "ICANN robert.hoggarth" <robert.hoggarth@xxxxxxxxx>, 
"Paul Levins" <paul.levins@xxxxxxxxx>, "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 6:08 PM

Paul and all,

  Thank you for recognizing the basic concept and why our
founding fathers were so wise indeed.  However I have been
suspended for espousing same and questioning judgments of
those that do not, publicly on this the GA forum.  Seems
that the protections of the minority to freedom of expression
are not important to one of our list monitors, one Debra
Garsdale from the UK of all places!  Extraordinary!

  I can only at this time that perhaps Debra has not thought
out the facts and basic rights clearly and has reacted in a
knee jerk fashion as well as in violation of the list rules
as well.

Paul Lehto wrote:

> Indeed.  The only thing anyone ever needs freedom for is to say or do
> something that some power or majority DOES NOT WANT TO HEAR.
>
> On 4/15/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Eric and all,
> >
> >   Restrictions of speech is a slippery slope to say the least.
> > Our 1st amendment is testamount to same.  Social backlash
> > is often a result of those that oppose free and open dialog
> > as well as freedom of expression.  But this is a healthy thing,
> > as it gets everything out in the open and transparent.  This is
> > why or founding fathers, especially TJ, TP, Samual Adams,
> > and John Adams were so wise indeed!
> >
> > God bless America!  Let freedom ring!
> >
> > Hugh Dierker wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> You know folks we could adjust our list rules. We could make them
more
> >   restrictive on speech. We could set up polling, so that comments
that
> >   are just down right nasty and offensive get a proper social
> >   backlash. I am quite certain that if this is desired by several, we
> >   could make it happen unless opposed by the many.
> >>
> >
> >
>
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