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[ga] Re: [At-Large] DIRECTI Demands Takedown of KNUJON Post
- To: Marc Handelman <mhandelman@xxxxxxxx>
- Subject: [ga] Re: [At-Large] DIRECTI Demands Takedown of KNUJON Post
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:13:05 -0700
Marc and all,
It's not your Domain that is in danger, it is anyone that
access your domain that is in danger as the DNSreport
clearly demonstrates. So you missed the point entirely.
But oddly, I am not surprised.
Encouraging Spam as your Domain does, is a definate
no-no and to the potential harm to any unwitting user whom
accesses your Domain or recieves an Email from same
accordingly. That is not excusable sir!
And finnaly your TTL IP seems to be a known spammer.
see:
http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=209.62.85.50&token=03705dea1ca79c8e27f3468b08409019
Further yet again your DNS for infosecurity.us is miss configured, and
as such to a degree exposes potential accessors/users to being spammed
for the dubious privilage of accessing your DN.
See again:
http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=infosecurity.us&token=03703ea2659f97ed2c134b820c399019
So again I will no so nicely ask, please discontinue obviscating, and
correct these obvious gross errors with all due haste. If you yourself
are not able to do so hire a professional that can do so.
So frankly sir, yet again, your lame remarks are pure disinformation and
seemingly intended to distract. You know, any MAN would freely admit his
mistake. It's clear you arn't willing to do so. Also this is unsurprising
to me, and all of our members. So as such we will be blocking your
Domain Names unless or until you have done the right thing.
As for your registrar -
Godaddy.com let see here...
http://member.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnslite.php?r=homepage&domain=godaddy.com
Seems to also be a bit less than a user friendly Registrar. In our members,
and my opinion, Godaddy.com is a disgrace and one of the worst
registrars ever accredited by ICANN. It should be dis-accredited
immediately!
Marc Handelman wrote:
> Well Jeffrey, seems that your research is a bit flawed regarding our
> (infosecurity.us) registration data.
>
> We registered the infosecurity.us domain at GoDaddy years ago, and
> recently moved to ServerLogistics as the host.
> I fail to see how my domain is a danger, as it is a information
> security news outlet.
> I know of no spam related activities emanating from my domain.
>
> Here is our current data:
>
> Domain Name: INFOSECURITY.US
> Domain ID: D1836802-US
> Sponsoring Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
> Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 146
> Registrar URL (registration services): whois.godaddy.com
> Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited
> Domain Status: clientRenewProhibited
> Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited
> Registrant ID: GODA-0841745
> Registrant Name: Marc Handelman
> Registrant Organization: Databaseresearch Corporation
> Registrant Address1: 182 Howard Street
> Registrant Address2: Suite 305
> Registrant City: San Francisco
> Registrant State/Province: California
> Registrant Postal Code: 94105
> Registrant Country: United States
> Registrant Country Code: US
> Registrant Phone Number: +1.4157066822
> Registrant Facsimile Number: +1.4152764530
> Registrant Email: mhandelman@xxxxxxxx
> Registrant Application Purpose: P1
> Registrant Nexus Category: C11
> Administrative Contact ID: GODA-2841745
> Administrative Contact Name: Marc Handelman
> Administrative Contact Organization: Databaseresearch Corporation
> Administrative Contact Address1: 182 Howard Street
> Administrative Contact Address2: Suite 305
> Administrative Contact City: San Francisco
> Administrative Contact State/Province: California
> Administrative Contact Postal Code: 94105
> Administrative Contact Country: United States
> Administrative Contact Country Code: US
> Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.4157066822
> Administrative Contact Facsimile Number: +1.4152764530
> Administrative Contact Email: mhandelman@xxxxxxxx
> Administrative Application Purpose: P1
> Administrative Nexus Category: C11
> Billing Contact ID: GODA-3841745
> Billing Contact Name: Marc Handelman
> Billing Contact Organization: Databaseresearch Corporation
> Billing Contact Address1: 182 Howard Street
> Billing Contact Address2: Suite 305
> Billing Contact City: San Francisco
> Billing Contact State/Province: California
> Billing Contact Postal Code: 94105
> Billing Contact Country: United States
> Billing Contact Country Code: US
> Billing Contact Phone Number: +1.4157066822
> Billing Contact Facsimile Number: +1.4152764530
> Billing Contact Email: mhandelman@xxxxxxxx
> Billing Application Purpose: P1
> Billing Nexus Category: C11
> Technical Contact ID: GODA-1841745
> Technical Contact Name: Marc Handelman
> Technical Contact Organization: Databaseresearch Corporation
> Technical Contact Address1: 182 Howard Street
> Technical Contact Address2: Suite 305
> Technical Contact City: San Francisco
> Technical Contact State/Province: California
> Technical Contact Postal Code: 94105
> Technical Contact Country: United States
> Technical Contact Country Code: US
> Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.4157066822
> Technical Contact Facsimile Number: +1.4152764530
> Technical Contact Email: mhandelman@xxxxxxxx
> Technical Application Purpose: P1
> Technical Nexus Category: C11
> Name Server: NS1.SERVERLOGISTICS.COM
> Name Server: NS2.SERVERLOGISTICS.COM
> Created by Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
> Last Updated by Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
> Domain Registration Date: Wed Apr 24 15:45:34 GMT 2002
> Domain Expiration Date: Thu Apr 23 23:59:59 GMT 2009
> Domain Last Updated Date: Sat May 10 15:23:40 GMT 2008
>
> ---
> Marc Handelman
> INFOSECURITY.US
> Federally Certified Information Security Protective Services
> Seattle, WA (206) 909-8211
> Gig Harbor, WA (253) 857-0707
> San Francisco, CA (415) 706-6822
> ---
> Governed by the ECPA, Title 18 United States Code 2510-2521.
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 22:14, Jeffrey A. Williams
> <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Danny and all,
> >
> > Well I disagree of course. Also see:
> > http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=infosecurity.us
> > also see:
> > http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?formaction=DNSLOOKUP&name=infosecurity.us&type=A&server=&detail=0
> >
> > Not even listed! Hummmm? No authoritative name server? Hummm again!
> > And still Directi.com seems to have no SPF record. see:
> > http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=Directi.com&token=03d021f32671958b2ef216820022b019
> >
> > That's a no no, Bhavin. >:( So clean that up please.
> >
> > And of course, infosecurity.us Whois shows that Godaddy is their
> > registrar. How unsurprising. See:
> > http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=infosecurity.us&server=&email=on&token=03304237286f945f2c327e82044a2019
> >
> > Seems that there are also som problems with the TTL IP address as well.
> > See:
> > http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=209.62.85.50&token=030042f360a791d324a2298a0b6ba019
> >
> > a frequent listed spammer. Bad form there! >:)
> >
> > From my own point of view and given this evadence, seems to be that both
> > infosecurity.us and
> > Directi.com should be taken down as both DN's represent a clear and present
> > danger
> > to users.
> >
> > Ergo, I am having even more problems with the varacity of Mr. Turakhia's
> > request
> > and
> > statements accordingly.
> >
> > Danny Younger wrote:
> >
> >> Source: http://infosecurity.us/?p=1105
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 01:09, Bhavin Turakhia <bhavin.t@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Marc
> >> We came across your article on http://infosecurity.us/ based on Knujons
> >> factually inaccurate and baseless report. Directi is not linked with any of
> >> the activities described in that report and Knujon, in their research have
> >> never bothered to get their facts straight from either ICANN or us. The
> >> article you publish is false and defamatory and hence I urge you to take it
> >> down immediately.
> >> Feel free to connect with me for any clarifications - my cellular number is
> >> <<REDACTED>> and I will be happy to share the actual facts with you -
> >> something that Knujon has not bothered to do so far. Find below our email
> >> to
> >> Knujon concerning the gross inaccuracies in their article
> >> Warm Regards
> >> Bhavin Turakhia
> >> Founder, Chairman & CEO
> >> Directi
> >> T: +91-22-66797600
> >> M (IN): +91 <<REDACTED>>
> >> ?-
> >> Dear Garth (from Knujon),
> >> This is with regards to the numerous articles on your website
> >> www.knujon.com
> >> that frivolously implicate the Directi Group. Before I move to the
> >> specifics, Id like to comment on the challenge you've thrown open to us, to
> >> take a lead in the endeavor of suspending every illicitly run domain name.
> >> Please understand that Directi continues to be one of the most proactive
> >> Registrars today in terms of combating abuse and implementing strict AUPs
> >> and we have a significant investment in terms of manpower and processes to
> >> achieve just this. We do so, not because were contractually obligated, or
> >> to
> >> protect our own business interests, but because we sincerely believe in the
> >> ideology of making the internet a safer and more secure medium for
> >> conducting business. Its really unfortunate that your analysis
> >> misrepresents
> >> the details, and conveniently ignores all of the active measures we take
> >> regularly against spamming, phishing and other forms of abuse activity on
> >> the internet. As a matter of fact, we have a ZERO tolerance policy towards
> >> unscrupulous activities, and therefore extremely shocked to learn about the
> >> baseless allegations made in your report.
> >>
> >> Given below, is a list of all the false information, conclusions and
> >> accusations that you have repeatedly made about our organization:
> >>
> >> 1. EST is NOT affiliated to the Directi Group in any way: EST just
> >> happens to be one of the several thousand service providers that use our
> >> technology to provide domain registration services. Therefore all of the
> >> claims that EST is a part of our Group is grossly incorrect.
> >>
> >> 2. Your claim that the accredited companies we own are: a) Phantom
> >> Registrars (ex: Jumbo Names) that are not incorporated or Do Not Really
> >> Exist and b) somehow involved in supporting the fake pharmacy business in
> >> some way, is not only grossly incorrect, but also seriously defamatory. You
> >> may not be privy to the strategic reasons why several of the top web
> >> services cos. need to invest in multiple registrar companies. However,
> >> there
> >> is absolutely no substance in suggesting that these companies are somehow
> >> involved in illegal activities. Not only do these registrars operate
> >> legitimately, but they also implement the strict AUPs for all sponsored
> >> domain names.
> >>
> >> 3. You claim that the Directi Group is somehow closely linked with
> >> Atrivo, which probably is a false conclusion drawn from pt. 1. above.
> >>
> >> 4. There are several other domain names that you have listed for
> >> various
> >> issues - software piracy, for instance - and claim that they are privacy
> >> protected. These domain names and their sponsoring registrar have not used
> >> privacy protection services for several months now; it is unfortunate that
> >> you did not choose to verify your data before making these accusations.
> >>
> >> 5. The statement "While Directi claims they will suspend illicit
> >> domains, KnujOn has found on many occasions Directi sponsored domains being
> >> removed temporarily only to be restored after a brief period with the same
> >> content" is incorrect, but we do acknowledge a technical lapse that may
> >> have
> >> led you to believe this. The domain names that you've listed were not
> >> intentionally restored, but did not get suspended in due process because of
> >> a technical error. When vigilant netizens alerted us about the situation,
> >> the domain names were suspended immediately.
> >>
> >> 6. The statement "If a consumer complains to
> >> Directi/PublicDomainsRegistry about these sites they simply direct them to
> >> the ISP host that serves the content. If and when the site content is
> >> closed
> >> by the ISP host, Directi/PublicDomainsRegistry just helps them set up at a
> >> new IP." is baseless and seriously defamatory. We do not condone any
> >> abusive
> >> behavior using domain names registered through us, much less facilitate it.
> >> There are cases where we forward complaints to the host to pursue in
> >> accordance with their AUP, but in no circumstance do we enable purported
> >> abusive registrants to setup in any fashion.
> >>
> >> 7. On several prior instances, we have attempted to explain to your
> >> organization the motives and mechanism behind Privacy Protection as a
> >> service. Privacy Protect isn't intended to harbor miscreants, but to
> >> protect
> >> genuine domain owners from them. This service, provided through a network
> >> of
> >> registrars, is essentially free and has no affiliation with any domain
> >> names
> >> that use it.
> >>
> >> 8. Also, as a Registrar, we must categorically state that we have no
> >> association with the domain names registered through us. The insinuation
> >> that we as a registrar benefit in any form through abusive domain names is
> >> grossly incorrect; on the contrary, we invest considerable resources toward
> >> mitigating such abuse of our services.
> >>
> >> 9. During the Prescription Addiction Radioshow, you claimed that the
> >> registrar community is unable to effectively police illegal activities and
> >> hence most registrars are in violation of the ICANN RAA. This is factually
> >> incorrect since the job of policing the internet cannot be the sole
> >> responsibility of registrars, and the Registrar Accreditation Agreement
> >> doesnt state any such obligation either. Most registrars, purely out of
> >> moral reasons, build AUPs to ensure that they proactively prevent their
> >> services from being used for any illegal activity.
> >>
> >> Based on all of these false assumptions, misrepresentations and factual
> >> inaccuracies, you have referred to our organization as beastly, rogue,
> >> irresponsible, immoral and a supporter of the illegal narcotics industry. I
> >> hope you understand that this sort of frivolous victimization and public
> >> abuse is intolerable for our organization, and always tackled with utmost
> >> severity. However, since we believe that your intentions are not wrong, we
> >> would like to resolve this amicably by requesting all necessary corrections
> >> to the information published. We would also need a public clarification
> >> which explicitly states that the Directi Group is in NO WAY harboring or,
> >> being in any way involved, in any form of illicit activity.
> >> >
> >> On another note, I request you to understand the limitations registrars
> >> face
> >> in tackling these issues. Despite having a dedicated abuse complaints
> >> processing team, it is impossible for us to deploy the necessary resources
> >> and expertise to manually authenticate the legal status of each of the 4
> >> million + sponsored domain names. A false positive could lead to a
> >> significant loss for an innocent customer, for which we will be squarely
> >> responsible. Things get even more difficult when other registrars that use
> >> our platform, are less sensitive towards their moral responsibilities. Sure
> >> wed like to pull the plug and permanently close our business with them, but
> >> how does one protect the several thousand innocent website owners that also
> >> happen to use their services?
> >>
> >> I believe you understand as well as we do that a true cleanup process
> >> requires the concerted involvement of several industry participants
> >> including ICANN, registries, brand owners, law enforcement agencies and
> >> registrars. You can be assured that from a registrar standpoint we continue
> >> to extend our full cooperation to the community at all points in time. We
> >> have always taken this issue seriously and will always continue to do so.
> >>
> >> Well also be glad to clarify your doubts on the above mentioned facts, over
> >> a conference call which can include the relevant people from our side. Were
> >> open to a constructive dialogue with you, and are all ears to any specific
> >> suggestion that you may have for us. If youd like that, do provide us with
> >> an appropriate time and number on which you can be reached.
> >>
> >> Considering the defamatory nature of the content in your posts and the
> >> inaccuracy of several accusations, we hope that the requested corrective
> >> measures will receive utmost priority and reflect immediately on your
> >> website.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Sandeep Ramchandani
> >> Strategic Partner Manager The Directi Group
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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>
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