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RE: [ga] List Rules - Some Ideas
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- Subject: RE: [ga] List Rules - Some Ideas
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 04:54:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
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<P>Dominik and all,</P>
<P> I have no objections to your suggestions, only concerns as to with
extremely</P>
<P>limited posting limits, how such can be achieved with any reasonable
sense</P>
<P>of accuracy or completeness. Unless or until that limiting censorship
factor</P>
<P>is changed within the GA, most, if not all, meaningful and comprehensive</P>
<P>work is not feasable. However as I have long ago now said, I believe
that</P>
<P>this is what Debbie and Mr. Dierker intended, which hamstrings the GA</P>
<P>and as such, relegates it to near obscurity or irrelevance.</P>
<P> Good public discourse, like any other form of person to person or</P>
<P>person to public communication is never censored in such a way,</P>
<P>not even C-Span does such. But the GA [ Eric and Debbie] does!
>:(</P>
<P> </P>
<P> Thankfully none of our mailing lists have such draconian
nonsensical</P>
<P>Censorship provisions, nor did the FCC impose such on P2P traffic when</P>
<P>the RIAA's complaint regarding such was strongly and unanomously
denied.</P>
<P>But the GA does! >:( Frankly such censorship reminds me of
"Extrodinary</P>
<P>Rendition", you may not know what that is Dominik, but Mr. Dierker surely</P>
<P>does.</P>
<P> </P>
<P> So in summation and seemingly as usual, any of our members that</P>
<P>engage in Tasting activities, warehousing of domain Names, or Domain</P>
<P>Name speculation on a large scale, shall have their membership revoked</P>
<P>until they have renounced to ever engage in those activities via a signed</P>
<P>and notarized affidavit. Same is true for Censorship [ other than self
censorship],</P>
<P>infringing in any way of personal privacy, engaging in the trafficing of
child</P>
<P>pornography on the Internet or elsewhere, engaging in cybersquatting,
typosquatting,</P>
<P>phishing, IP address hijacking or other defined forms of same, and/or
any other forms </P>
<P>of Internet scams. Further, any or our members that fail to report
such activities</P>
<P>to a proper legal authority shall also have their membership revoked or
temporary</P>
<P>suspended pending further review.</P>
<P> I personally have a 0 ZERO tolorence policy for nonsense, and always
have.</P>
<P>"Collective or selective censorship in any of it's ugly forms IS
nonsense!"</P>
<P>Chief Justice US Supreme court, Jon Jay 1791</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Regards,</P>
<P>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders
strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -<BR>
Abraham Lincoln</P>
<P>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is<BR>very
often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt</P>
<P>"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden,
B;<BR>liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e.,
whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d
169 [2d Cir.
1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated
1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS.<BR>div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in
good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail<BR><A
href="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>My Phone:
214-244-4827<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff
2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Dominik Filipp
<DOMINIK.FILIPP@xxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Apr 1, 2008 2:15 AM <BR>To: "Jeffrey A.
Williams" <JWKCKID1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Danny Younger <DANNYYOUNGER@xxxxxxxxx>,
Hugh Dierker <HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx>, debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Cc:
ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: RE: [ga] List Rules - Some Ideas
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT face=Geneva
size=2>Jeff and all,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT size=2>I
understand your point here. Four votes for the motion gained so far
can hardly be considered a GA support. But the motion is based on the public
voice expressing its desire to eliminate AGP as demonstrated
in the last GNSO survey and not on a majority of GA votes;
so the power and the legitimacy of the motion is derived from the
results of official survey. For me the GA, in its current status, is
still a mailing list with all known limitations.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT size=2>However, it
is a nice idea to get the GA community more operable. Regardless of whether the
results will be accepted by the staff or not. Simply to find out whether
the GA is a group of people not only bringing interesting and/or
valuable thoughts and ideas, but also a body capable of acting
accordingly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT size=2>Our last
attempt to build this up failed. Maybe we could give it another
chance and start with the domain tasting issue. I think, however, this motion
cannot be enforced by just establishing some organizational rules but it should
be a natural process of gradual acceptation of the potential power
of group of people with the same or similar attitudes and goals. That is,
a process accepted by the GA members themselves. I have no idea whether such a
support exists currently, and I do not insist on it. I am all for it but cannot
speak for anyone else.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT size=2>I,
therefore, would continue working on domain tasting here. Everyone interested
in it can join and work together. I have some ideas how to improve the work;
e.g. I would like to use a special notation in subject clearly distinguishing
issue-oriented contributions from other posts; some
examples</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2>GA_ISSUE_0001: DOMAIN TASTING | Elimination of AGP - Pros And
Cons Report</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><SPAN
class=373584207-01042008><FONT size=2><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><SPAN
class=373584207-01042008><FONT size=2>GA_ISSUE_0001: DOMAIN TASTING |
Voting - Vote on Draft Report Ver.
1.1</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><SPAN
class=373584207-01042008><FONT size=2>GA_ISSUE_0001: DOMAIN TASTING - Final
Report Ver. 1.1</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT size=2>or more
generally</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2>GA_ISSUE_<code>: <ISSUE_TITLE> [| <Category> [|
<SubCategory>]... [- <Description>]]</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT size=2>where pipe
stands for category/subcategory delimiter and square
brackets are optional meta-terms (as usual).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2>Obviously, every opened issue should be 'owned' by a leading
moderator who defines the subject titles.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT size=2>This could
help try out the mechanism for the current ongoing issue and we'll see how
this might be working further. The details can be discussed later or
refined during real work on issues. I, personally, would not like to be
elaborating on this too much.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2>Any ideas or objections?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2>Dominik</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=373584207-01042008><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT
size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT
size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT
size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jeffrey A.
Williams<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:11 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] List Rules<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P>Mr. Dierker and all,</P>
<P> My position on the questionably ligitimate "List Rules" is well known
and</P>
<P>remains unchanged for the reasons I have already stated clearly and</P>
<P>emphatically. BTW, Mr. Dierker I trimmed you redundant CC's in
accordance</P>
<P>with the questionably ligitimate "List Rules". Please practice what</P>
<P>you preach, if you would be so kind.</P>
<P><FONT face=Geneva size=2></FONT> </P>
<P> It seems very clear that Dominik's motion is resoundingly carried
by</P>
<P>the majority of the actively participating GA members. However as</P>
<P>the GA does not have any formal voting process that it should have</P>
<P>there will always be a question as to weather or not Dominiks motion</P>
<P>is the will of the GA members. Here inlies, and has always been the</P>
<P>GA's biggest detrament and partly why as Ross indicated, the GA is</P>
<P>unfortunately largely discounted if not ignored. A sad commentary
indeed.<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff
2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Hugh Dierker
<HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Mar 31, 2008 11:17 AM <BR>To:
debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: Re: [ga] List Rules
<BR><BR>
<DIV>The list has run along very smoothly for several months. The main reason
is voluntary compliance with the rules. Once this concept breaks down so does
the list. We are not talking about individual one time lapses. For constant
repeat violations we must stand strong and enforce the rules.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Geneva size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>We are at a point for the first time in months, that the list is
coalescing into the form of producing a statement/motion. The AGP issue seems
to have come to a head and more formal resolution procedures may be
appropriate. I believe it is at a motion stage with 4 seconds. If the desire is
to move forward in a constructive effective matter, we should hear that from
the members.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Geneva size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Eric<BR><BR><B><I>Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><FONT face=Geneva size=2></FONT><BR>Please note
that the list rules state no more than 5 postings within 24<BR>hours.<BR><BR>A
couple of people on this list seem to be going over the limit on a
regular<BR>basis.<BR><BR>This is a final friendly warning. Anyone going over
the quota in future<BR>will be suspended from the list for a minimum of 4 weeks
according to our<BR>list rules.<BR><BR>There are a number of contentious issues
currently being discussed at the<BR>moment and, as has already been voiced, I
would like to see input from a<BR>variety of members rather than just the same
few.<BR><BR>Best regards<BR><BR><BR>Debbie Garside<BR>List
Monitor<BR><BR>http://www.geolang.com<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<P>
<P>Regards,</P>
<P>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders
strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -<BR>
Abraham Lincoln</P>
<P>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is<BR>very
often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt</P>
<P>"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden,
B;<BR>liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e.,
whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d
169 [2d Cir.
1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated
1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS.<BR>div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in
good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail<BR><A
href="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>My Phone:
214-244-4827</P></BLOCKQUOTE></ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>
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