Friendly Warning: RE: [ga] Response to Darlene's animosity to:Re: [At-Large] Motion to get the list back on topic

["Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Jeff

I have had occasion to give you two (private) friendly warnings recently
with regard to your postings.  This is your final friendly warning before
sanctions are imposed.

I would refer you to our list rules which can be found here:
http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules5.htm

Section 3 states:

Cross posting to mailing lists are to be avoided. If somebody is member to
many lists and wishes to share some topic with any of them he/she shall
write to all of them separately. Further, the copying of personal email
addresses into the recipient fields of a mail posted to any of the GA
Mailing lists unless in direct response to a previous post is to be avoided.
The List Monitor or the Chair may impose sanctions for persistent offenses.

Kindly observe this rule in future postings.

Many thanks

Debbie Garside
List Monitor



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeffrey A. Williams
> Sent: 06 March 2008 21:12
> To: ALAC; DOC/NTIA ICANN Rep
> Cc: Gwen Hinze; Ga
> Subject: [ga] Response to Darlene's animosity to:Re:
> [At-Large] Motion to get the list back on topic
>
>
> Darlene and all my friends,
>
>   I always moderate myself.  Sorry if you are not satisfied
> with my own brand of moderation. I feel your frustration but
> ethically I am compelled to respond.
>
>   However I am sorry to read that Canada is the 3rd worst
> country of oragin of spam.  As you seem to be in the
> Education field in your home country, Canada, perhaps you
> could address some of your efforts and professional time in
> educating your fellow Canadians in the interest of them
> reducing or eliminating Spam?  >:)
>
> I am not a STAFF member of the ALAC and cannot be as such
> would be a Conflict of interest.  I have joined the ALAC as
> is evident in my list subscription to this list forum accordingly.
> I am also a member of the NCUC as well as the BC, though I
> personally am not a regularly active member of either.
> I am also a member of the GA, and EFF as well.  So as far as
> I know, or is documented on ALAC web pages and in accordance
> with the MOU, and any and all users are free to join of their
> own free will.  So as such, I have done so.
>
>   As spokesman for our organization, all posts going to me or
> the Email address for this forum are sent to all of our
> members accordingly.  They have long now desired me to stay
> on as their spokesman and to reflect their views as Users and
> registrants.  I endeavor to do so and have sense 1998.  I
> shall continue to do so as long as our members wish for me to do so.
>
>   I see no rules regarding cross posting on the ALAC main web
> site or any of the ALAC's web site links.  If I missed such,
> please provide the link and voting record of such.  I also
> noticed that the ALAC is not generally supported by the GAC
> yet and is not registered with the FEC or FTC either.
>
>   I am indeed sorry you are not my friend.  But of course
> that is your choice, and I do not hold it against you in any
> way.  Your or anyone's opinion is as important to myself and
> our INEGroup members irregardless of your seeming animosity.
> However your or anyones elses opinion and/or views are no
> more improtant than any others either.  All of the internet
> community should be friendly in the spirit of the fellowship
> of man.  And again, I an indeed saddened you seemingly do not
> share that fellowship.  Maybe someday you will!  >:)  Hope
> springs eternal....
>
> "Thompson, Darlene" wrote:
>
> > You are a "member of the ALAC"???  In what capacity?  What is your
> > title?  This is certainly news to me.
> >
> > And, I'm sorry, but we aren't just looking at a few disgruntled
> > parties but an entire community that is tired of your multiple
> > postings, cross postings, and off-topic postings.  When one
> person is
> > responsible for over 40% of the postings on one list then
> there is obviously a problem.
> >
> > I, too, am not your friend and wish to see this cease.  If
> you cannot
> > moderate yourself, then accept moderation from someone else.
> >
> > Darlene
> >
> > Darlene A. Thompson
> > Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of
> > Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
> > Phone:  (867) 975-5631
> > Fax:  (867) 975-5610
> > dthompson@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: alac-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:alac-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Jeffrey A.
> > Williams
> > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:25 PM
> > To: John Levine
> > Cc: ALAC
> > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Motion to get the list back on topic
> >
> > John and all my friends,
> >
> >   ALS's do not have accredited groups from the
> documentation currently
> > available.  So, no INEGroup is not and cannot be thus accredited as
> > Jacqueline seems to be indicating.  However I am a member
> of the ALAC
> > and also spokesman for INEGroup, and will likely remain so for the
> > forseeable future.
> >
> >   However INEGroup is registered with the federal registry, and the
> > FEC and has been sense 1998.  And our membership is
> growing!  >:)  All
> > of our members whom elected me as spokesman are users as well as
> > Domain Name registrants.  Ergo as spokesman and as a ALAC
> member our
> > voices, opinions are expressed through myself or
> independantly as they
> > apply to only myself accordingly.
> >
> > John Levine wrote:
> >
> > > > From the ALS listing on alac.icann.org, INEGroup is not an
> > accredited ALS.
> > >
> > > Of course not, since it doesn't exist in the reality-based world.
> > >
> > > > The ALAC rules exist and the Chair has indicated that
> it will be
> > > > considered, so I look forward to the ALAC decision, and
> hopefully
> > > > a
> > more
> > > > streamlined and productive list with fewer distractions.
> > >
> > > I certainly hope so.  We have literally decades of experience with
> > email
> > > discussion lists, and one of the hard-won lessons is how easily
> > > lists
> > can
> > > be wrecked by one or two disruptive people.  After trying every
> > imaginable
> > > alternative, it's always become clear that there's only one
> > > solution, which is to remove the disruptive parties.
> > >
> > > It's much easier in this case because the parties in
> question have a
> > > multi-year history of doing exactly the same thing to one
> list after
> > > another.  If you don't believe me, look at the archives at the
> > At-Large
> > > Study Committee list in 2001-2002:
> > >
> > > http://atlargestudy.org/forum_archive/index.shtml
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John Levine, johnl@xxxxxxxx, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet
> > > for
> > Dummies",
> > > Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com,
> > ex-Mayor
> > > "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k
> members/stakeholders strong!)
> > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> >    Abraham Lincoln
> >
> > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> >
> > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > ===============================================================
> > Updated 1/26/04
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> >
> >
>
>  Regards,
>
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders
> strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
>    Abraham Lincoln
>
> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with
> what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>
> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the
> burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L
> multiplied by
> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> ===============================================================
> Updated 1/26/04
> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
> div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
> ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
> jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx My Phone: 214-244-4827
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