Re: [ga] Wallpapering the NTIA

["Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Michael and all,

  Thoughtful observation, but not good enough.  Measuring the
will of ALL the interested stakeholders in a poll is the only way
in which the proper direction or policy can be reasonably determined
when the ICANN Bod, nor the GNSO doesn't reflect the vast
majority of stakeholders/registrants.  Ergo still, ICANN and
especially the GNSO cannot ever accurately, ethically, or honestly
reflect the will of the stakeholders/registrants unless or until the
misguided, mistructured, and disproportionately poor structure
of the GNSO, and ICANN Bod is reformed significantly.

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Michael Collins wrote:

> Roberto,
>
> Thank you for your thoughtful response. It helps to put ICANN's solicitation
> of support for the Board's position in perspective.
>
> I understand that the NTIA is the one taking the poll. However, it still
> seems to me that it would have been more helpful to the NTIA if ICANN had
> provided, in addition to its own position, a neutral poll of the ICANN
> community at the ICANN website.
>
> Best regards,
> Michael Collins
> Internet Commerce Association
> +1. 202 657 4570
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:41 PM
> To: 'Michael Collins'; 'General Assembly of the DNSO'
> Subject: RE: [ga] Wallpapering the NTIA
>
> Two comments on this issue.
>
> First of all, I think that there is a bit of confusion on the roles. In this
> case, ICANN is not at all conducting a public inquiry among stakeholders
> about their opinion on the JPA. If this were the case, it would be
> absolutely appropriate for ICANN keep a neutral profile, solicit opinions
> for and against, count them, provide room for individual comments, etc.
> However, the situation is that NTIA is conducting the poll, which means that
> it will be them to evaluate the matter. ICANN is in this situation not the
> judge, but one of the affected parties. And it seems pretty logical that it
> would seek support for its position, not statement of disagreement: if
> statements of disagreements are to be collected, it seems to me pretty
> natural that this task should be carried on by somebody else.
>
> Second, and maybe more interesting (at least as a theoretical speculation).
> Karl argues that this action would be at best irrelevant, if not
> counterproductive. There may be some truth in this. Speaking personally, the
> sending of multiple cloned expressions of support or opposition is something
> that is foreign to my cultural background and not my preferred way to act.
> However, I have to admit that I have seen this very often, and can't tell
> whether it is effective or not. What I can say is that I have experienced
> this flooding of photocopied statements for or against an issue: it has
> happened recently for at least one issue under debate in ICANN. Regardless
> of whether myself, or the rest of the Board, has been influenced by them, it
> seems to me that quite some people think that this could have an effect. And
> since the vast majority of those pieces of communication were originated in
> the US, I tend to think that it is rather in this socio-cultural environment
> that these actions are supposed to have some value. So, after all, since in
> this the entity at the receiving end of these messages is, in this case, an
> entity that operates in this context, why not?
>
> Anyway, independently from your opinion regarding the particular way of
> providing feedback discussed above, I would encourage all of you to comment
> in reply to the notice of inquiry at
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/jpamidtermreview.html.
>
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Collins
> > Sent: Tuesday, 05 February 2008 03:06
> > To: 'General Assembly of the DNSO'
> > Subject: RE: [ga] Wallpapering the NTIA
> >
> >
> > Roberto,
> >
> > Yes, there will be other venues for criticism. It is still
> > disappointing that ICANN isn't looking for a "real" measure
> > of support by including dissenting opinions on the ICANN website.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Michael Collins
> > Internet Commerce Association
> > +1. 202 657 4570
> > +1. 407 242 9009 mobile
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roberto Gaetano
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:48 PM
> > To: 'Danny Younger'; 'General Assembly of the DNSO'
> > Subject: RE: [ga] Wallpapering the NTIA
> >
> >
> > I'm sure that people who disagree will have plenty of other
> > websites who propose critical statements.
> > Cheers,
> > Roberto
> >